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I watched a video on YouTube on how the 29th edition of the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament, which has already come out has made 84 changes in the book of Revelation alone that will be adopted by the UBS 6th edition and will be used in the new printed editions of the Critical Text based Bibles which would include the ESV, LSB, NIV etc. One of the changes is Revelation 21:6 that will no longer say “I am” Alpha and Omega. It will say “I have become” Alpha and Omega. I don’t read Greek but I have confirmed this is true by consulting Gemini. You can no longer simply assume that the favorite translation you may buy in the future will contain verses that aren’t corrupted.
 
Gemini may be correct, and it may not.

I have found mistakes that AI has made in the past, but I am also aware of mistakes I've made in the past.
 
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biscuit1953 said:
I watched a video on YouTube on how the 29th edition of the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament, which has already come out has made 84 changes in the book of Revelation alone that will be adopted by the UBS 6th edition and will be used in the new printed editions of the Critical Text based Bibles which would include the ESV, LSB, NIV etc. One of the changes is Revelation 21:6 that will no longer say “I am” Alpha and Omega. It will say “I have become” Alpha and Omega. I don’t read Greek but I have confirmed this is true by consulting Gemini. You can no longer simply assume that the favorite translation you may buy in the future will contain verses that aren’t corrupted.
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I can't get reliable technical support out of Gemini--if I ask it a software question, it usually takes about two queries before it locks into a cycle of false information, an apology, and more false information. Consequently I don't trust it to guess my weight.

As for this "video on YouTube," you provide no details and no way to judge its accuracy. Anonymous testimony is of no value.

which has already come out
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No, it hasn't.
 
Ransom said:
I can't get reliable technical support out of Gemini--if I ask it a software question, it usually takes about two queries before it locks into a cycle of false information, an apology, and more false information. Consequently I don't trust it to guess my weight.

As for this "video on YouTube," you provide no details and no way to judge its accuracy. Anonymous testimony is of no value.



No, it hasn't.
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It was the pre-edition he was quoting. I hope you are right. I'll do some more research, but it is troubling if that change was even considered.
 
Here are three different links that deal with this. Once again, I hope you are right.

https://puritanboard.com/threads/ubs6-changes-to-rev-21-6.117511/

https://www.uni-muenster.de/news/view.php?cmdid=14213&lang=en

www.linkedin.com

Revelation 21:6 Variant Readings and Manuscript Analysis | Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts posted on the topic | LinkedIn

#FeaturedVariant Revelation 21:6 contains a variation unit featuring at least five variant readings of grammatical and theological significance. The variant is at the beginning of the quote from Jesus, which is often translated as “It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega….” One of the main issues...
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Well, we may all become KJVO, after all. 😂
 
biscuit1953 said:
It was the pre-edition he was quoting. I hope you are right. I'll do some more research, but it is troubling if that change was even considered.
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The Editio Critica Major of the book of Revelation has been published, along with textual commentary; So has the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament, 6th ed., which adopts the ECM text. The Nestle-Aland 29th edition is not yet published. It typically retains the text of the UBS GNT, but with fuller apparatus.

The ECM is based largely on coherence-based genealogical method (CBGM), an AI-assisted method of textual criticism that can collate variant readings and reconstruct their history far more quickly and efficiently than human effort alone. That said, it's not infallible, and there are multiple readings suggested by the CBGM that critics reject as simply wrong.

Your link to PuritanBoard contains commentary from, if I'm reading correctly, the UBS6. It notes that "the committee is doubtful about this reconstruction." The variant in Rev. 21:6 gets a C rating, indicating a high level of doubt.
 
Ransom said:
The Editio Critica Major of the book of Revelation has been published, along with textual commentary; So has the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament, 6th ed., which adopts the ECM text. The Nestle-Aland 29th edition is not yet published. It typically retains the text of the UBS GNT, but with fuller apparatus.

The ECM is based largely on coherence-based genealogical method (CBGM), an AI-assisted method of textual criticism that can collate variant readings and reconstruct their history far more quickly and efficiently than human effort alone. That said, it's not infallible, and there are multiple readings suggested by the CBGM that critics reject as simply wrong.

Your link to PuritanBoard contains commentary from, if I'm reading correctly, the UBS6. It notes that "the committee is doubtful about this reconstruction." The variant in Rev. 21:6 gets a C rating, indicating a high level of doubt.
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What about The Reformation Bible Society? Starting at the 13:25 mark it deals with it and they are saying it gives equal weight to the "I have become" reading.
www.sermonaudio.com

Reformation Bible Society 2025: The ECM and Revelation 21:6 | SermonAudio

www.reformationbiblesociety.org
www.sermonaudio.com www.sermonaudio.com
 
biscuit1953 said:
What about The Reformation Bible Society?
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What about them? They're biased in favour of the Textus Receptus. And claiming that it gives "equal weight" would seem to contradict the committee's own C rating.
 
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