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subllibrm said:
And nobody is asking you to do so.
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that would be funny if it wasn;t such a bald faced lie........ what was that essay of a "friend" all about if not a plea.. even a demand... for christians to ignore voting for what;s best for the country and to follow their own personal self serving "prinicples" instead..... ..... "vote not for your countrys future but for what will give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside" ... that is what i heard your "friend" say and you endorse........ so save your personal selling points and shame sherpa tactics for when the people you betrayed ask you in the future why they are out on the street with a cup in their hand begging for spare change.....
 
aleshanee said:
that would be funny if it wasn;t such a bald faced lie........ what was that essay of a "friend" all about if not a plea.. even a demand... for christians to ignore voting for what;s best for the country and to follow their own personal self serving "prinicples" instead..... ..... "vote not for your countrys future but for what will give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside" ... that is what i heard your "friend" say and you endorse........ so save your personal selling points and shame sherpa tactics for when the people you betrayed ask you in the future why they are out on the street with a cup in their hand begging for spare change.....
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So you are now showing that you either didn't read it or didn't comprehend it. He never said any of what you have accused him of saying. You did get one part correct about him though. Saying it is possible that one believer may vote differently than another one. Why that would grind your gears I'm not sure.

Anyway, your response to that concept is why I asked about Paul and Barnabas. Which one of them was the evil doer regarding John Mark? I would say neither. The Lord allowed them both to hold on to their convictions and in process doubled the number of teams doing the early missionary work. Their "no small dispute" was used in a powerful way to expand the church.

Applied to the current political climate in our country, it is not beyond God's ability to allow His children to vote differently from each other.
 
subllibrm said:
So you are now showing that you either didn't read it or didn't comprehend it. He never said any of what you have accused him of saying. You did get one part correct about him though. Saying it is possible that one believer may vote differently than another one. Why that would grind your gears I'm not sure.
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maybe you should evaluate yourself and discover why so many people read the things you write and see it the same way i do... .. you always claim we are wrong in our assessment and accuse us of falsely labelling you a leftist... .... if that is true and we all read your postings wrong then maybe you should change the way you communicate and make it clear - straight foreward - easy to understand.......... coz while you claim you are spraying perfume around the room the people downwind of it say it smells like something else......

and if you can;t figure out why someone saying it;s ok for christians to vote in different directions and thus allow true depravity to take office then your ability to discern or reason is broken beyond repair....... ...

subllibrm said:
Anyway, your response to that concept is why I asked about Paul and Barnabas. Which one of them was the evil doer regarding John Mark? I would say neither. The Lord allowed them both to hold on to their convictions and in process doubled the number of teams doing the early missionary work. Their "no small dispute" was used in a powerful way to expand the church.

Applied to the current political climate in our country, it is not beyond God's ability to allow His children to vote differently from each other.
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why does one of them have to be wrong?.... but couldn;t both have been equally in the right and wrong at the same time?... ... .. the world is not black and white no matter how many times those who are color blind insist it is.... ..

and how in the world does their decision to pursue different ministry options compare even remotely to a national election where the survival of an entire country is at stake?...... ....

but if in your mind one of them has to be wrong then i would say it;s paul..... . he allowed his personal preferrences and pride to speak for him.... ... but then i would also think about it and say barnabas..... because he ignored the advice of someone considered an elder and wiser..... ... God used both to his glory... and used mark to pen one of the gospels..... .

but none of their actions were an attempt to punish a government that had been friendly to christian causes because it;s leader had a "potty" mouth - as you fundys like to refer to it.... and neither did they help put a antichrist into national office that had already pledged to persecute the christian church.... .. .....

can you not see how silly it is to make a comparison between paul / barnabas to what happened in the election this past tuesday?.... ....
 
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subllibrm said:
Applied to the current political climate in our country, it is not beyond God's ability to allow His children to vote differently from each other.
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nothing is beyond Gods ability.... .. but yes... like i told baptist renegade.... God allows us to do stupid things.... He also allows us to suffer the consequences.... and He also uses our stupid decisions as lessons to teach others...... and uses it all for His glory...

the point i was making from the begining in this whole thing.... and i have said it for years... . when God gives a gift to someone in the way He gave the gift of freedom and the right to vote to our country... the right to choose our leaders rather than live under kings...... He expects us to use that gift wisely in a way that will preserve freedom and protect the church...... .

when we use that gift to try to puff ourselves up and make personal statements about how righteous we are... ..He will allow the country he gave us to fail.. and He will allow our freedom to be taken away.... .especially if the way we used our freedom gave power to people who have vowed to destroy the church... ....

and that too .. including the loss of our freedoms... will be used to His glory in lessons taught to future generations of christians..... using us as the bad example... and to show what happens when fools are given a freedom and right they refuse to use wisely.... ..

evil wins in this country because it moves in unison... marches in lock step and acts in one accord........ if we are going to defeat it we have to act in one accord too... ..
 
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aleshanee said:
maybe you should evaluate yourself and discover why so many people read the things you write and see it the same way i do... .. you always claim we are wrong in our assessment and accuse us of falsely labelling you a leftist... .... if that is true and we all read your postings wrong then maybe you should change the way you communicate and make it clear - straight foreward - easy to understand.......... coz while you claim you are spraying perfume around the room the people downwind of it say it smells like something else......

and if you can;t figure out why someone saying it;s ok for christians to vote in different directions and thus allow true depravity to take office then your ability to discern or reason is broken beyond repair....... ...


why does one of them have to be wrong?.... but couldn;t both have been equally in the right and wrong at the same time?... ... .. the world is not black and white no matter how many times those who are color blind insist it is.... ..

and how in the world does their decision to pursue different ministry options compare even remotely to a national election where the survival of an entire country is at stake?...... ....

but if in your mind one of them has to be wrong then i would say it;s paul..... . he allowed his personal preferrences and pride to speak for him.... ... but then i would also think about it and say barnabas..... because he ignored the advice of someone considered an elder and wiser..... ... God used both to his glory... and used mark to pen one of the gospels..... .

but none of their actions were an attempt to punish a government that had been friendly to christian causes because it;s leader had a "potty" mouth - as you fundys like to refer to it.... and neither did they help put a antichrist into national office that had already pledged to persecute the christian church.... .. .....

can you not see how silly it is to make a comparison between paul / barnabas to what happened in the election this past tuesday?.... ....
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Funny how the world is not black and white except for where you say it is.
 
subllibrm said:
Funny how the world is not black and white except for where you say it is.
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but there is nothing funny at all about how you deliberately misrepresent my posts..... and lie about what i am saying even though i think you are smart enough to know better.. ... just so you can keep trolling the forum with your stale and disengenuous points.....
 
aleshanee said:
but there is nothing funny at all about how you deliberately misrepresent my posts..... and lie about what i am saying even though i think you are smart enough to know better.. ... just so you can keep trolling the forum with your stale and disengenuous points.... ....
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Pot calling the kettle black!?! Ma'am, you haven't accurately discerned my position on anything political. The process goes like this: I make a statement. You respond with "it seems like". I make a clarifying statement which you dismiss. Later on you will accuse me of something nefarious and I will ask for proof of the allegation. You will then quote your seems like conclusion as proof that I did whatever it is that you perceived. Much like you have done with the quote I shared this week, you put your analysis out as the only possible conclusion for what was presented. See recent posts where you have concluded (wrongly) that I am a leftist for the most recent example of this process.
 
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Pot calling the kettle black!?! Ma'am, you haven't accurately discerned my position on anything political. The process goes like this: I make a statement. You respond with "it seems like". I make a clarifying statement which you dismiss. Later on you willaccuse me of something nefarious and I will ask for proof of the allegation. You will then quote your seems like conclusion as proof that I did whatever it is that you perceived. Much like you have done with the quote I shared this week, you put your analysis out as the only possible conclusion for what was presented. See recent posts where you have concluded (wrongly) that I am a leftist for the most recent example of this process.
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i gave you proof in more than one post after you demanded we show you where you said demeaning things about other forum members in your infamous does tone matter thread..... .. i even itemized every entry with a link to where it could be found..... you ignored it and pretended not to see it for months... ...

and then when finally pressured by other forum members on it you came back and said you saw it and dismissed it.... .. you did not refer to a single item i listed..... just callously wrote the whole thing off with a wave of the hand.... ..then - same as now - you claimed we misrepresented you..... and then also just like now i told you since so many of us keep coming to the same conclusions that you deny... then maybe you should alter the way you present your cases.....

i keep saying "it seems like" when it comes to things you say because your slipperly semantic shell game manner of speaking is confusing... and rather than outright accuse you i am trying to give you a chance to explain yourself..... ....... .and i am not the only one who finds your words confusing - even purposely deceptive....

.....if we keep inaccurately discerning your positions it;s because you fail to accurately present them.... .. .and several of us have told you this before - but you wont even try to change it...... instead you come back at us from a stance of sanctimonious arrogance insisting we are the ones with the problem ...and we are the ones who must change..... .. .

so you can take all your lofty demands and sanctimonious posturiing now and stuff it where ever it is you pull such putrid stuff from in the first place.... .stick it in your black kettle and cook it... ... ... do you understand what i am saying mr billy bus?..... if we ever meet face to face in the real world i will spell it out for you... in no uncertain terms...... . unlike you i know how to make myself clearly understood and i am not afraid to do it.... ...... you are an arrogant - dishonest and pride stuffed hypocrit.. ... i have no use for you or anyone like you.....
 
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subllibrm said:
Asked and answered. Stop excusing his bad behavior is a great place to start.
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How many times does Tarheel have to say he’s a vile man? 😉

On a serious note, your request seems highly subjective and ambiguous. On what kind of scale would you measure such pushback? From which demographic of Christians (Catholics, evangelical, fundamentalists, etc. ) would you accept such rebukes of Trump?
 
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