Imagine (replacing Trump with Godliness)

biscuit1953 said:
When it comes to Christians who have remarried without a scriptural basis, it is a sin that should be confessed and repented of. But some sins of the past can’t be reconciled. Many have children involved in new marriages and its like putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. They should be faithful to the one they are currently married to. All they can do is put their past behind them and live for God going forward.
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No offense, but this sounds like your opinion and not Scripture. God didn’t make a command and then say, “but if it’s inconvenient then continue sinning.”
 
DoctorDuck said:
No offense, but this sounds like your opinion and not Scripture. God didn’t make a command and then say, “but if it’s inconvenient then continue sinning.”
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In the woman at the well (John 4:16-18), Jesus told the woman to go call her husband. She said that she had no husband. Jesus said, "You are right, for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true." She did not have six (still living) husbands. She had none. A divorce is 100% separation, erasing the marriage bond. There is no such thing as being remarried and having two husbands or two wives. If they repented of their sin, they were forgiven, not living in continual adultery. Only self-righteous Pharisees continaully condemn what God has forgiven and that includes those Christians who refuse to forgive those who have repented of their homosexuality.
 
biscuit1953 said:
In the woman at the well (John 4:16-18), Jesus told the woman to go call her husband. She said that she had no husband. Jesus said, "You are right, for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true." She did not have six (still living) husbands. She had none. A divorce is 100% separation, erasing the marriage bond. There is no such thing as being remarried and having two husbands or two wives. If they repented of their sin, they were forgiven, not living in continual adultery. Only self-righteous Pharisees continaully condemn what God has forgiven and that includes those Christians who refuse to forgive those who have repented of their homosexuality.
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I see, so if I get sick of eating my wife’s food, divorce her, then remarry a new wife a year later and ask God for forgiveness, then all is peachy keen with God. I wonder what version of the Bible you read from.
 
DoctorDuck said:
I see, so if I get sick of eating my wife’s food, divorce her, then remarry a new wife a year later and ask God for forgiveness, then all is peachy keen with God. I wonder what version of the Bible you read from.
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No, it shows your evil heart and lack of repentance.
 
biscuit1953 said:
No, it shows your evil heart and lack of repentance.
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No, according to Scripture, it shows the marriage is a faux marriage and an abomination in the eyes of God. The problem is that because divorce is so prevalent in today’s churches (including IFB-dom), the issue has been given a pass, a nod and a wink. That doesn’t make me a Pharisee, it makes me the bearer of facts.
 
DoctorDuck said:
What I’m asking is, why do you (and so many other Christians) have a double standard when it comes to the topic of homosexual marriage, but not divorce (and remarriage) by heterosexuals?
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Homosexual marriage is not marriage at all, so these two things can’t be conflated as you’ve done.
DoctorDuck said:
Furthermore, if a man marries a woman who is divorced (and presumably vice versa) for unbiblical purposes, he lives in a constant state of adultery (Matthew 5:32): https://www.gotquestions.org/whoever-marries-a-divorced-woman-commits-adultery.html
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Please sustain your claim about gotquestions position, I don’t think that they are making the claim of perpetual adultery as you allege or think they are.
DoctorDuck said:
So, perhaps all of the judgmental handwringing by Christians who are openly living in sin needs to be addressed before attacking two men or women who are married. Perhaps this should be left for God to judge. Maybe that’s why President Carter adopted this attitude late in life.
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Read this and this, because not all conservative Christians believe that the solution to an adulterous remarriage is to compound that sin/mistake by adding to it.
DoctorDuck said:
And to answer your question, yes, the Bible makes it quite clear that gay marriage is a sin. Now I have a question for you: are a divorced and remarried Christian couple openly living in permanent adultery if their original marriages were not linked to the “divorce exception clauses” in the Bible? And as a man who occasionally takes the pulpit, have you ever had the backbone to tackle this subject? (I bet you have for the gay marriage topic.)
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I’ve never addressed gay marriage, other than in passing, and I’ve never preached on divorce, again, other than in passing. As far as your comments elsewhere in this thread about the reason for not preaching against it as a perpetual sin, I’ve addressed that (it’s not necessarily), but if I believed it to be something that the church was indeed guilty of, and I would preach what the remedy in the gospel would be, regardless of financial ramifications.
 
DoctorDuck said:
No offense, but this sounds like your opinion and not Scripture. God didn’t make a command and then say, “but if it’s inconvenient then continue sinning.”
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Right, if the Christian knows it’s sin and gets married there is no repentance involved and should be church disciplined.
 
DoctorDuck said:
So the question becomes, why do preachers (particularly of the conservative types), have no issue drumming the beat against homosexuality and gay marriage, but would never dream of telling a man and woman that they’re in an unbiblical marriage (that is assuming their previous divorces weren’t based on the biblical exception clauses)?
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Not true to my experience. Maybe you should find some better preachers?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Homosexual marriage is not marriage at all, so these two things can’t be conflated as you’ve done.

Please sustain your claim about gotquestions position, I don’t think that they are making the claim of perpetual adultery as you allege or think they are.

Read this and this, because not all conservative Christians believe that the solution to an adulterous remarriage is to compound that sin/mistake by adding to it.

I’ve never addressed gay marriage, other than in passing, and I’ve never preached on divorce, again, other than in passing. As far as your comments elsewhere in this thread about the reason for not preaching against it as a perpetual sin, I’ve addressed that (it’s not necessarily), but if I believed it to be something that the church was indeed guilty of, and I would preach what the remedy in the gospel would be, regardless of financial ramifications.
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Thanks. will research your post. Unfortunately, I probably won’t get to respond until tomorrow evening.
 
If a pastor has a couple in the church that are divorced and decide to get married should the first stages of church discipline begin and if they actually get married should they be churched??
 
Bruh said:
Right, if the Christian knows it’s sin and gets married there is no repentance involved and should be church disciplined.
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Have you ever willfully sinned, only to repent much later after that sin? Did God actually restore you then?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Have you ever willfully sinned, only to repent much later after that sin? Did God actually restore you then?
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Hey man, I’m only asking. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong.

Unlike committing the sin of assaulting a child divorce could actually happen to me. 😉
 
Bruh said:
Yes and yes.

There you go.
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Okay, thanks for the truthful answer. Why can’t God forgive the adulterous remarriage, if repentance takes place? Put another way, Biblically speaking, why should the remarriage be absolutely and unequivocally be assigned unique unforgivable status?
 
Ducky keeps avoiding my argument.

Ducky: Jesus never addressed homo luv directly.

Ekk: He defined marriage, how more direct can one be?

Ducky: *crickets*
 
ALAYMAN said:
Okay, thanks for the truthful answer. Why can’t God forgive the adulterous remarriage, if repentance takes place? Put another way, Biblically speaking, why should the remarriage be absolutely and unequivocally be assigned unique unforgivable status?
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I completely agree with you. This could absolutely happen to me. Trust me I’m not throwing stones on this one.

Look, I got women throwing themselves at me almost everyday. This could happen to me. Only God has kept our marriage together. I’ve never physically cheated on my wife to be clear b
 
Ekklesian said:
Ducky keeps avoiding my argument.

Ducky: Jesus never addressed homo luv directly.

Ekk: He defined marriage, how more direct can one be?

Ducky: *crickets*
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I’m not avoiding it, but you’re missing my point. Both the gay marriage and the adulterous marriage are equally invalid and sinful. The state might recognize both marriages with a certificate of endorsement, but the Bible recognizes neither.
 
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