1 John 1:8-10: Can you confess your sins, once-and-for-all?

[Smellin Coffee]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

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"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

 

[prophet]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

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"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

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[Smellin Coffee]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

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"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

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I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

 

[prophet]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

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"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

Are you trying to sell me on the tired old "formula for national 'revival'" that is held over the heads of American Saints, as if somehow they are responsible the rise of the Antichrist kingdom?

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[Smellin Coffee]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

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"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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Not at all. Just giving another example of the nature of God when it comes to our repentance and righting the ship.

I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

Are you trying to sell me on the tired old "formula for national 'revival'" that is held over the heads of American Saints, as if somehow they are responsible the rise of the Antichrist kingdom?

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[prophet]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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Not at all. Just giving another example of the nature of God when it comes to our repentance and righting the ship.

I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

Are you trying to sell me on the tired old "formula for national 'revival'" that is held over the heads of American Saints, as if somehow they are responsible the rise of the Antichrist kingdom?

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Am I missing something?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



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Not at all. Just giving another example of the nature of God when it comes to our repentance and righting the ship.

I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

Are you trying to sell me on the tired old "formula for national 'revival'" that is held over the heads of American Saints, as if somehow they are responsible the rise of the Antichrist kingdom?

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Am I missing something?

Sorry about that. I was on my phone and typed out a response but somehow it didn't take.

What I had replied was something along this line:

This passage shows the nature of the grace of God and how he forgives and may even restore when we repent. A NT example of this would be the parable of the Prodigal Son, a son who turned away from his father yet the father restored the son's life upon his return. So no, I don't take this verse as a way to 'turn America back to God' but rather can use it to say, "God was willing to do this for Israel. Knowing the nature and character of God, surely He might consider doing it for America as a whole or at least for individuals who are His children, who walk away from Him."

 

[prophet]

To look at this from another angle:

Can a born again child of God have unforgiven sin?

If God will not impute Sin to the account of a saved man, then, can he have unforgiven sin?

If the answer is "no", then v 9 can only be speaking of our Salvation.

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This is talking TO God's children. So yes, a child of God can have unforgiven sin.

Or, He was talking to a Nation, that He had made His daughter, reiterating the Law over which they stumbled, because He foreknew that that generation would be cursed along with their offspring?



Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

Not at all. Just giving another example of the nature of God when it comes to our repentance and righting the ship.

I guess The Lord's Prayer was meant in the national context also...

National condemnation. That doesn't mean you can't get something from it.

Yet you don't believe that is true when it comes to II Chron 7:14...

Are you purporting to tell me that I misinterpret the instructions to Israel, about how to reverse the curse on their agricultural production?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

I mean it is a nationalistic passage for which something can be made as relevant today.

Are you trying to sell me on the tired old "formula for national 'revival'" that is held over the heads of American Saints, as if somehow they are responsible the rise of the Antichrist kingdom?

Sent from my C6730 using Tapatalk

Am I missing something?

Sorry about that. I was on my phone and typed out a response but somehow it didn't take.

What I had replied was something along this line:

This passage shows the nature of the grace of God and how he forgives and may even restore when we repent. A NT example of this would be the parable of the Prodigal Son, a son who turned away from his father yet the father restored the son's life upon his return. So no, I don't take this verse as a way to 'turn America back to God' but rather can use it to say, "God was willing to do this for Israel. Knowing the nature and character of God, surely He might consider doing it for America as a whole or at least for individuals who are His children, who walk away from Him."

Where can I go, to walk away from God?

"If I make my bed in Hell, thou art there."

Been there, done that, realized you can't leave God's presence.

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[Walt]

As usual, the context has been snipped.

1Jo 1:5 ? 1Jo 2:1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2?:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


This is a comparative self-test.

6 vs 7
8 vs 9 vs 10.

If you are in Christ, ....
If you are not,.....

So yes, absolutely, this is teaching that: once in your life, you confess to God to be a sinner, and are permanently cleansed 4 life.

Frankly, I have no idea how someone who believes in Eternal Security can possibly rectify their mishandling of this passage to their correct interpretation of passages about our sin being gone forever.

Thank you for posting the whole passage.

It seems to me that v8 ("have no sin") completely wrecks the idea of being sinless -- the Bible says that such people have deceived themselves.

v10 talks to those who think that they have never sinned - they make God out to be a liar.

The whole passage is talking about our fellowship with God.  Jesus discussed in John the idea of a man coming from an Oriental bath -- he is fully washed and cleansed, but as he walks about, his feet get dirty and need to be washed.

So, we are forgiven for all of our sins - they will not be held against us... however, when we DO sin, we ruin the fellowship with God.  This confession that we have done wrong restores our fellowship and communion with God.  It doesn't have anything to do with the complete redemption at Calvary.

 

[prophet]

As usual, the context has been snipped.

1Jo 1:5 ? 1Jo 2:1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2?:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


This is a comparative self-test.

6 vs 7
8 vs 9 vs 10.

If you are in Christ, ....
If you are not,.....

So yes, absolutely, this is teaching that: once in your life, you confess to God to be a sinner, and are permanently cleansed 4 life.

Frankly, I have no idea how someone who believes in Eternal Security can possibly rectify their mishandling of this passage to their correct interpretation of passages about our sin being gone forever.

Thank you for posting the whole passage.

It seems to me that v8 ("have no sin") completely wrecks the idea of being sinless -- the Bible says that such people have deceived themselves.

v10 talks to those who think that they have never sinned - they make God out to be a liar.

The whole passage is talking about our fellowship with God.  Jesus discussed in John the idea of a man coming from an Oriental bath -- he is fully washed and cleansed, but as he walks about, his feet get dirty and need to be washed.

So, we are forgiven for all of our sins - they will not be held against us... however, when we DO sin, we ruin the fellowship with God.  This confession that we have done wrong restores our fellowship and communion with God.  It doesn't have anything to do with the complete redemption at Calvary.

If this were true, our fellowship would be "ruined" constantly.

Whatsoever is not of Faith, is sin.

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


We have an advocate....we have no need of confession.

You have no legal background, I'm assuming, or you would know...that the advocate does the talking for the one He represents.






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[Walt]

As usual, the context has been snipped.

1Jo 1:5 ? 1Jo 2:1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2?:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


This is a comparative self-test.

6 vs 7
8 vs 9 vs 10.

If you are in Christ, ....
If you are not,.....

So yes, absolutely, this is teaching that: once in your life, you confess to God to be a sinner, and are permanently cleansed 4 life.

Frankly, I have no idea how someone who believes in Eternal Security can possibly rectify their mishandling of this passage to their correct interpretation of passages about our sin being gone forever.

Thank you for posting the whole passage.

It seems to me that v8 ("have no sin") completely wrecks the idea of being sinless -- the Bible says that such people have deceived themselves.

v10 talks to those who think that they have never sinned - they make God out to be a liar.

The whole passage is talking about our fellowship with God.  Jesus discussed in John the idea of a man coming from an Oriental bath -- he is fully washed and cleansed, but as he walks about, his feet get dirty and need to be washed.

So, we are forgiven for all of our sins - they will not be held against us... however, when we DO sin, we ruin the fellowship with God.  This confession that we have done wrong restores our fellowship and communion with God.  It doesn't have anything to do with the complete redemption at Calvary.

If this were true, our fellowship would be "ruined" constantly.

Whatsoever is not of Faith, is sin.

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


We have an advocate....we have no need of confession.

You have no legal background, I'm assuming, or you would know...that the advocate does the talking for the one He represents.

It is clear from context that I John is written to fellow believers.

John is including himself in the "If we say..." statements.

Yes, our fellowship can be ruined when we don't confess our sins.  David, though he committed adultery and murder, was called "a man after God's own heart" -- I believe this is because he always confessed his sin when confronted with it.  As the Holy Spirit reminds us of our sin, if we confess it, fellowship is restored.

 

[prophet]

As usual, the context has been snipped.

1Jo 1:5 ? 1Jo 2:1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2?:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


This is a comparative self-test.

6 vs 7
8 vs 9 vs 10.

If you are in Christ, ....
If you are not,.....

So yes, absolutely, this is teaching that: once in your life, you confess to God to be a sinner, and are permanently cleansed 4 life.

Frankly, I have no idea how someone who believes in Eternal Security can possibly rectify their mishandling of this passage to their correct interpretation of passages about our sin being gone forever.

Thank you for posting the whole passage.

It seems to me that v8 ("have no sin") completely wrecks the idea of being sinless -- the Bible says that such people have deceived themselves.

v10 talks to those who think that they have never sinned - they make God out to be a liar.

The whole passage is talking about our fellowship with God.  Jesus discussed in John the idea of a man coming from an Oriental bath -- he is fully washed and cleansed, but as he walks about, his feet get dirty and need to be washed.

So, we are forgiven for all of our sins - they will not be held against us... however, when we DO sin, we ruin the fellowship with God.  This confession that we have done wrong restores our fellowship and communion with God.  It doesn't have anything to do with the complete redemption at Calvary.

If this were true, our fellowship would be "ruined" constantly.

Whatsoever is not of Faith, is sin.

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


We have an advocate....we have no need of confession.

You have no legal background, I'm assuming, or you would know...that the advocate does the talking for the one He represents.

It is clear from context that I John is written to fellow believers.

John is including himself in the "If we say..." statements.

Yes, our fellowship can be ruined when we don't confess our sins.  David, though he committed adultery and murder, was called "a man after God's own heart" -- I believe this is because he always confessed his sin when confronted with it.  As the Holy Spirit reminds us of our sin, if we confess it, fellowship is restored.

If the Truth is not in you, you aren't His.

John was writing to people who were mostly redeemed, but obviously not all were.
No church ever is.

What do you say of Romans 8???

Scary that this passes for "teaching" nowadays.

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[Agent P]

I have a good friend. He is very intelligent and went farther than I did in his education (Th.M.).

Yet, he has a peculiar take on 1 John 1:8-10. He believes (or used to) that this passage teaches that when you confess your sin, you never have to confess it again.

Here is the passage:
If we claim to be without sin,q we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.t 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Your thoughts, first.

Bob George and some of the other hyper-grace teachers take that tack.  I only wish it were that easy.