'America First' Means 'After Israel'

What a twit! Thanks for giving us your graduation picture! LOL That was you prancing up to get your diploma, wasn't it????
Ah, Witless Joe and Yankee Doodle team up. Ain't that cute?

You know, Yankee Doodle is the dandy, not me.

Together you're almost half a wit.

Why don't you invite Huk and make it a threesome?

I'm sure he's got some furry costumes to share?

@DrHuk&Duck , you got a female bunny suit for Joe?
 
There was no Israel for 2,000 years and then an Israel was created again in 1948. To call that just some type of weird coincidence that has nothing to do with biblical prophecy seems as logical as believing that I can actually belch real fire after my Tuesday Taco meal. 🔥
It wasn't suddenly and without warning. There was British Zionism for a century spanning two world wars.

Then the Judaizing of American Christianity through the proliferation of the Scofield Bible.

But, God's promises in the OT of regathering were contingent upon a return of the Hebrews to the Lord.

Has that happened?
 
It wasn't suddenly and without warning. There was British Zionism for a century spanning two world wars.

Then the Judaizing of American Christianity through the proliferation of the Scofield Bible.

But, God's promises in the OT of regathering were contingent upon a return of the Hebrews to the Lord.

Has that happened?
Are you referring to the Balfour Declaration?
 
Are you referring to the Balfour Declaration?
The Balfour Declaration was the relation of the British government's sympathy to the Zionist's insistence on a Jewish state in Palestine, but the lobbying efforts predate that declaration by decades, not just in Great Britain, but Europe.

Here's the text:

Foreign Office

November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

Of course no one believed that turning an entire region over to, not just Jewish control, but ownership was going to happen overnight or be well received by those who've lived there for generations. But the Zionists said, sure. Wink-wink.

Less than 7% of the land we call Israel was fairly purchased. 56% was confiscated, and the rest gained in wars resulting from implementation of the British Mandate and UN resolutions.

The Palestinians don't hate Israel for no reason. And Iran has taken up their cause.

But the Zionist movement began with Jewish elites. And Palestine wasn't the first suggestion of the British Government. Britain offered regions in East Africa, Cyprus and Argentina for a sovereign Jewish state...none with the complications inherent with Palestine, and some in the Zionist movement, I've found out, were in favor in one or more of those. But no, the elites insisted on Palestine, because of its "historical and religious significance."

They want it for the Temple site, among others. Motivations differ on the part of religious and secular Jews, naturally. Religious Jews and ignorant Christians think that Jews still have a divine right that land, and that God wants to be worshipped by Jews in a temple there, and the secular Jews are quite content with that sentiment for the authority it lends them and the loyalty it fosters.
 
Less than 7% of the land we call Israel was fairly purchased. 56% was confiscated, and the rest gained in wars resulting from implementation of the British Mandate and UN resolutions.

Some years ago I analyzed the information that was available at that time on the official Jewish National Fund web site. I did the math, and based on their own figures, I concluded that the Jewish National Fund had fairly purchased approximately 7.33% of the land within the pre-1968 borders of Israel. So more than 92% of that territory was not paid for. But of course we don't expect any of those uncompensated Arab landowners to have any hard feelings about that - just one of those things.

Years ago an article in the "Sword of the Lord" stated that the Jews had actually paid for 92% of the land in modern Israel. I wrote to editor Shelton Smith and pointed out that this figure was in error, according to the Jewish National Fund's own figures. I received a very nice reply from Smith stating that he was going to get back to the author of that article to ask him where he got his figures. I never heard any more about it, and of course there was no retraction in the "Sword of the Lord."
 
The Balfour Declaration was the relation of the British government's sympathy to the Zionist's insistence on a Jewish state in Palestine, but the lobbying efforts predate that declaration by decades, not just in Great Britain, but Europe.

Here's the text:

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

Of course no one believed that turning an entire region over to, not just Jewish control, but ownership was going to happen overnight or be well received by those who've lived there for generations. But the Zionists said, sure. Wink-wink.

Less than 7% of the land we call Israel was fairly purchased. 56% was confiscated, and the rest gained in wars resulting from implementation of the British Mandate and UN resolutions.

The Palestinians don't hate Israel for no reason. And Iran has taken up their cause.

But the Zionist movement began with Jewish elites. And Palestine wasn't the first suggestion of the British Government. Britain offered regions in East Africa, Cyprus and Argentina for a sovereign Jewish state...none with the complications inherent with Palestine, and some in the Zionist movement, I've found out, were in favor in one or more of those. But no, the elites insisted on Palestine, because of its "historical and religious significance."

They want it for the Temple site, among others. Motivations differ on the part of religious and secular Jews, naturally. Religious Jews and ignorant Christians think that Jews still have a divine right that land, and that God wants to be worshipped by Jews in a temple there, and the secular Jews are quite content with that sentiment for the authority it lends them and the loyalty it fosters.
Admittedly, I was pretty unaware of the pre-war history of Zionism and the future plans for an Israel. Interesting stuff. I was aware of the fact that many Palestinians were displaced from their ancestral homelands, and I have always felt that many of them were impacted in a way not too differently than the native Americans were in the Americas. However, I also believe that this was an obvious part of God’s plan and, from an eschatological perspective, it had to happen.
 
If Palestinian removal was such an obvious part of God's plan, why is there no mention or hint of it anywhere in the New Testament? There were plenty of Gentiles living in what is now Israel during the First Century, some of them not far from Jesus' childhood home of Nazareth, but Christ and the Apostles never said anything about the need to give them the heave-ho. This whole emphasis by modern dispensationalists about "standing with Israel," political support of the "Israeli" state in the First Century or today, Zionism, bombing the nations on Bibi's enemies list, helping to literally reconstitute the Davidic kingdom, is not taught or mentioned at all anywhere in the New Testament. For Christ and the Apostles, Zionism was a non-issue - they were focused on the heavenly Jerusalem, John 4:21, Galatians 4:25-26, Hebrews 11:16, 12:22.

Ezekiel 47:21-23, which describes the ideal state of Israel in the future, states, "So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you, and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel, they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD."

Where in this passage, or anywhere else in the Bible, do we find that it was "an obvious part of God's plan" that the Palestinians be displaced from their ancestral homelands? (Interesting that you concede that Palestine is indeed their ancestral homeland, indicating that they cannot be dismissed as "squatters" and that they have "civil and religious rights" under the provisions of the Balfour Declaration).
 
Ah, Witless Joe and Yankee Doodle team up. Ain't that cute?

You know, Yankee Doodle is the dandy, not me.

Together you're almost half a wit.

Why don't you invite Huk and make it a threesome?

I'm sure he's got some furry costumes to share?

@DrHuk&Duck , you got a female bunny suit for Joe?
I can't help but think maybe you're a queer, and this is your month to celebrate, as it always comes back to something sexual when you post, eKKK. I just don't go that way. Maybe you should look up my old nemesis, Vinny! 🤨🙄
 
When all is said and done, this is the argument one must always fall back upon.
Eschatology aside, God is sovereign and His will is ultimately done.
Daniel 2:21 - “He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them".



Assuming Daniel is inspired since Premillennial’s regularly reference him.

Inspiration- the belief that the Holy Spirit guided the writers of Scripture, making their writings the word of God. 😉
 
Eschatology aside, God is sovereign and His will is ultimately done.
Daniel 2:21 - “He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them".



Assuming Daniel is inspired since Premillennial’s regularly reference him.

Inspiration- the belief that the Holy Spirit guided the writers of Scripture, making their writings the word of God. 😉
Lest you think that fact hallows every reign, He set up Absalom, too, and Nebuchadnezzar. And don't forget Pharaoh.

...or Hitler.
 
Lest you think that fact hallows every reign, He set up Absalom, too, and Nebuchadnezzar. And don't forget Pharaoh.

...or Hitler.
It doesn’t hallow anything.
He uses all things and all people for His purpose.
 
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