Anybody following the unrest in Ferguson Missouri?

[The Rogue Tomato]

And you STILL haven't answered my question as to what the proper response is, on both a personal and societal level, to statistically higher criminality among young blacks.

You must be related to Matthew Ward.  You both back out of your ridiculous arguments by posing a stupid question and then demanding an answer over and over again. 

 

[ddgently]

And you STILL haven't answered my question as to what the proper response is, on both a personal and societal level, to statistically higher criminality among young blacks.

You must be related to Matthew Ward.  You both back out of your ridiculous arguments by posing a stupid question and then demanding an answer over and over again.

My "ridiculous argument" is that people should be treated equally until they demonstrate they should receive some other form of treatment. So although it sounds like maybe he went a bit over the top, prophet is entirely justified in defending himself if someone goes for his wallet.

So, you've attempted to demonstrate in post after post that young black men are statistically more dangerous than young white men. My question to you is so what if they are? How does that fact impact how you live your life?

What should we as a society do about that fact? Incarcerate more young black men? Mentor them away from a life of crime?

How are these stupid questions? Or do you just not want to answer?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

And you STILL haven't answered my question as to what the proper response is, on both a personal and societal level, to statistically higher criminality among young blacks.

You must be related to Matthew Ward.  You both back out of your ridiculous arguments by posing a stupid question and then demanding an answer over and over again.

My "ridiculous argument" is that people should be treated equally until they demonstrate they should receive some other form of treatment. So although it sounds like maybe he went a bit over the top, prophet is entirely justified in defending himself if someone goes for his wallet.

So, you've attempted to demonstrate in post after post that young black men are statistically more dangerous than young white men. My question to you is so what if they are? How does that fact impact how you live your life?

What should we as a society do about that fact? Incarcerate more young black men? Mentor them away from a life of crime?

How are these stupid questions? Or do you just not want to answer?

No, I will not take the bait.  You are race-baiting.  You are hoping I'll say something that would allow you to paint me as racist.  You already demonstrated how far you will go when you claimed I was saying, "act scared around all young black men, shooting them if necessary." 

You lost the credibility to have your questions answered at that point.  So go away, gnat. 

 

[rsc2a]

Ask the young black man in Detroit, that this Native American stomped into a welcome mat, in a gas station last Christmas.
He'll tell you.
That when a young black man walks towards you eyeballing your wallet, you toss his degenerate carcass through the snack shelf by his throat.
Then you stomp his head a few times.

The very image of Jesus right there.  :

 

[prophet]

Ask the young black man in Detroit, that this Native American stomped into a welcome mat, in a gas station last Christmas.
He'll tell you.
That when a young black man walks towards you eyeballing your wallet, you toss his degenerate carcass through the snack shelf by his throat.
Then you stomp his head a few times.

The very image of Jesus right there.  :

No, in Jesus's story, I would've been armed:

Luk 11:21
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Of course, you would pretend that there is never a threat to be dealt with by force, ever.

Nicodemus shared the inability to even understand the Earthly aspect of Jesus's parables with you.

They were planning to jack me, and I changed their mind.

I expected you to pipe up about this.
You have some kind of hang-up when it comes to race.

I grew up as the non-black in the innercity.

My parents put me in our church's Christian School.

So rich White kids harassed me at school, and  Black kids harassed  me in the 'hood.

I've learned to 'see it coming' from many different ethnic groups, as well as knowing that most people aren't dangerous.
I watch everyone.
Dangerous Black men usually have a fatal overconfidence, and the mistaken idea that others will be intimidated.  Same goes for most evil men, I suppose.

My experience of course, is from South Chicago, and Gary,IN.
Things are different everywhere.

But you will never get me to feel bad for stopping some thug from doing his dirt.

So mock on, but I'm gonna stand my ground.

Ask the young black man in Detroit, that this Native American stomped into a welcome mat, in a gas station last Christmas.
He'll tell you.
That when a young black man walks towards you eyeballing your wallet, you toss his degenerate carcass through the snack shelf by his throat.
Then you stomp his head a few times.

The very image of Jesus right there.  :

No, in Jesus's story, I would've been armed:

 

[rsc2a]

Ask the young black man in Detroit, that this Native American stomped into a welcome mat, in a gas station last Christmas.
He'll tell you.
That when a young black man walks towards you eyeballing your wallet, you toss his degenerate carcass through the snack shelf by his throat.
Then you stomp his head a few times.

The very image of Jesus right there.  :

No, in Jesus's story, I would've been armed:

Luk 11:21
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Right...does that come before or after the "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."

Oh, that's right! You're treating a side portion of one parable about the kingdom of God in the same fashion as a direct command from Jesus...one you are clearly in violation of.

[quote author=prophet]Of course, you would pretend that there is never a threat to be dealt with by force, ever.[/quote]

And here you would be wrong. I'm fine with dealing with threats by force...threats to others. Of course, it's easier to argue a point when you've shoved the other person in a box.

[quote author=prophet]Nicodemus shared the inability to even understand the Earthly aspect of Jesus's parables with you.[/quote]

I understand the earthly aspects fine. I also don't dissect each part of the parable and make points from the individual pieces because that's just terrible hermeneutics.

[quote author=prophet]They were planning to jack me, and I changed their mind.[/quote]

The soldiers were planning on jacking Jesus. He defeated evil by surrender, not by being the last person standing.

[quote author=prophet]I expected you to pipe up about this.
You have some kind of hang-up when it comes to race.[/quote]

Oh really...do enlighten me.

[quote author=prophet]Dangerous Black men usually have a fatal overconfidence, and the mistaken idea that others will be intimidated.  Same goes for most evil men, I suppose.[/quote]

Strange...your story reeks of someone who has a fatal overconfidence and the idea that others will be intimidated. Evil actions indeed.

 

[prophet]

Ask the young black man in Detroit, that this Native American stomped into a welcome mat, in a gas station last Christmas.
He'll tell you.
That when a young black man walks towards you eyeballing your wallet, you toss his degenerate carcass through the snack shelf by his throat.
Then you stomp his head a few times.

The very image of Jesus right there.  :

No, in Jesus's story, I would've been armed:

Luk 11:21
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Right...does that come before or after the "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."

Oh, that's right! You're treating a side portion of one parable about the kingdom of God in the same fashion as a direct command from Jesus...one you are clearly in violation of.

[quote author=prophet]Of course, you would pretend that there is never a threat to be dealt with by force, ever.

And here you would be wrong. I'm fine with dealing with threats by force...threats to others. Of course, it's easier to argue a point when you've shoved the other person in a box.

[quote author=prophet]Nicodemus shared the inability to even understand the Earthly aspect of Jesus's parables with you.[/quote]

I understand the earthly aspects fine. I also don't dissect each part of the parable and make points from the individual pieces because that's just terrible hermeneutics.

[quote author=prophet]They were planning to jack me, and I changed their mind.[/quote]

The soldiers were planning on jacking Jesus. He defeated evil by surrender, not by being the last person standing.

[quote author=prophet]I expected you to pipe up about this.
You have some kind of hang-up when it comes to race.[/quote]

Oh really...do enlighten me.

[quote author=prophet]Dangerous Black men usually have a fatal overconfidence, and the mistaken idea that others will be intimidated.  Same goes for most evil men, I suppose.[/quote]

Strange...your story reeks of someone who has a fatal overconfidence and the idea that others will be intimidated. Evil actions indeed.
[/quote]
Go ahead and get robbed if you like, even killed.
There will be nice things said about you at your funeral.

As for me, nobody's taking the food from my 8 kids' mouth without dealing with their earthly protector, as an example of the Heavenly One.

I didn't expect the man to be intimidated. 
I never said word one to him.
I beat him into a state in which he could no longer pose a threat.

I did it by myself, to one who was not alone.
I did it in the "wrong neighborhood".

Of course, you will criticize.

So be it.

I've never been popular for taking on bullies.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

ZoNATION: The Black N.R.A.? More like the Fake N.R.-eh?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

 

[ddgently]

And you STILL haven't answered my question as to what the proper response is, on both a personal and societal level, to statistically higher criminality among young blacks.

You must be related to Matthew Ward.  You both back out of your ridiculous arguments by posing a stupid question and then demanding an answer over and over again.

My "ridiculous argument" is that people should be treated equally until they demonstrate they should receive some other form of treatment. So although it sounds like maybe he went a bit over the top, prophet is entirely justified in defending himself if someone goes for his wallet.

So, you've attempted to demonstrate in post after post that young black men are statistically more dangerous than young white men. My question to you is so what if they are? How does that fact impact how you live your life?

What should we as a society do about that fact? Incarcerate more young black men? Mentor them away from a life of crime?

How are these stupid questions? Or do you just not want to answer?

No, I will not take the bait.  You are race-baiting.  You are hoping I'll say something that would allow you to paint me as racist.

You've already given ample evidence to conclude that you're racist. I'm not 'baiting' you into giving more.

You already demonstrated how far you will go when you claimed I was saying, "act scared around all young black men, shooting them if necessary." 

You lost the credibility to have your questions answered at that point.  So go away, gnat.

You're a real piece of work, you know that?

First you post what is, at best, an incredibly insensitive photoshop job of a Little Golden Book and refuse to take responsibility for how insensitive it is, but instead diverted attention to the problem of "black on black" murders.

Then you bring up your friend Bill Whittle and since we've been on the topic of whether "black on white" racism/violence is actually a larger problem, and whether racism actually exists or not.

Have I been entirely fair with you? Probably not. You're acting like such a caricature of an Angry White Male.

I wouldn't even be discussing this with you (or Admin, or Tarheel, or Ransom) or any other Diet Racist, except for the fact that your attitudes affect real people.

Darren Wilson was not out hunting young black men. But he lives in a culture that instills fear of young black men in everyone (black and white alike)

Key and Peele

and that fear has real consequences. John Crawford III is dead for carrying a toy bb gun in Wal-Mart while white men in Texas practice their right to "open carry" in Hardees, and are no worse for the wear. Is that fair? Is that justice?

You seem to think so, after all, you posted this a few days ago:

“In our minds, young black men are associated with danger.”

Well, yeah.  They are more associated with danger.  That's a fact.  Why should we force ourselves to be stupid and pretend it's not true?  Even the pathetic liberal Juan Williams said he's more likely to be afraid if he sees an Arab boarding his plane than a white guy boarding his plane.  It's a reasonable fear, since an Arab is more likely to blow up a plane than a white guy. 

This doesn't mean all black people are dangerous, or all Arabs blow up planes.  It's just a healthy response to undeniable facts.

And since then, I've been trying to find out what that healthy response is.

You're a racist pig, and God is ashamed of you. There, now you can answer my question without fear of me trying to paint you as a racist.

What's your "healthy response," Tomato? The question is rhetorical now. It's for you to think about as you go about your day, confident that the police won't stop you for that burnt out blinker, that you can not take your receipt at the check out because no one is ever going to accuse you of stealing, that you can "open carry" without getting shot by the cops.

I pray that God reveals to you the impact your attitudes, shared by millions across this great land of our, impact very real people.

Until then, adios.

 

[Ransom]

I wouldn't even be discussing this with you (or Admin, or Tarheel, or Ransom) or any other Diet Racist, except for the fact that your attitudes affect real people.

I don't know what the Hyles a "Diet Racist" is supposed to be, so I suppose I should be vaguely offended at the somewhat false-ish accusation sort of thing.

 

[prophet]

I wouldn't even be discussing this with you (or Admin, or Tarheel, or Ransom) or any other Diet Racist, except for the fact that your attitudes affect real people.

I don't know what the Hyles a "Diet Racist" is supposed to be, so I suppose I should be vaguely offended at the somewhat false-ish accusation sort of thing.

Anyone who won't pretend that there is no such thing as a bad neighborhood, is a Diet Racist.

That's as opposed to real racists, like the Gangster Disciples, and Vice Lords in Chicago, who were having an all out riot in the street, who turned and attacked my family and friends who were coming out of church, just because we weren't all Black.

 

[Ransom]

The only person who knows if the Michael Brown shooting was motivated by racism is Darren Wilson, and he hasn't said anything. Until that happens, everything people say in the media and on the street is nothing more than speculation - and, I strongly suggest, a good healthy dose of insurrection by the usual suspects that glom onto every incident like this to try and gin up a decent case of class envy.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ddgently]...Have I been entirely fair with you? Probably not. You're acting like such a caricature of an Angry White Male.

I wouldn't even be discussing this with you (or Admin, or Tarheel, or Ransom) or any other Diet Racist, except for the fact that your attitudes affect real people.

Darren Wilson was not out hunting young black men. But he lives in a culture that instills fear of young black men in everyone (black and white alike)...

...And since then, I've been trying to find out what that healthy response is.

You're a racist pig, and God is ashamed of you. There, now you can answer my question without fear of me trying to paint you as a racist.

What's your "healthy response," Tomato? The question is rhetorical now. It's for you to think about as you go about your day, confident that the police won't stop you for that burnt out blinker, that you can not take your receipt at the check out because no one is ever going to accuse you of stealing, that you can "open carry" without getting shot by the cops.

I pray that God reveals to you the impact your attitudes, shared by millions across this great land of our, impact very real people.

Until then, adios.[/quote]

All I've seen from 'mater is him citing numbers showing that, from a statistical perspective, black folks are more likely to commit violent crimes than white folks as an aggregate. I haven't seen anywhere where he has made the claim that one particular black guy is inherently more violent than a white (or asian or native american or...) guy.

I'll readily acknowledge there is a real, deep societal problem with racism and racial discrimination in our culture. The numbers also clearly show that, per capita, violent crimes are much more likely to occur at the hands of a black man. I'll grant that the societal problems are an influencing factor in why this is true and, as a society, we need to do something about it.

But, I'll also readily point out that the individuals within those demographics are individually responsible for their own actions...it's not "society's fault" that you burn down someone's business, assault them, or take another person's life without cause.

And folks like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, President Obama, Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh are not acting as part of the solution. They are acting as catalysts to cause greater and greater reaction. Additionally, the kinds of folks who claim racism is no longer a problem, and the folks who claim that everyone is a racist, are also part of the problem.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

These days you are called racist if you think Asians are the most intelligent people.  I don't know if they are or not, but it's a less volatile example than violent young black men. 

But what if they are more intelligent?  Should we pretend they are not in order to avoid being called racist?  Is that what liberals want?  For us to turn off our brains and live in a fantasy utopia where everything is equal (but it's not really)? 

IMO, yes, that's what they want.  They live in constant denial of the truth regarding just about everything, and they want everyone else to live that way, too.  To the average liberal today, the free world would be perfect if only everyone lived exactly the way liberals want them to live, and thought exactly the way liberals want them to think. 

I should probably use "progressive" or even "Marxist" instead of "liberal", but most of you will know what I mean. 

On a related note, I've known some progressives who defend their positions by saying things like, "don't you want progress?"  As if what they call themselves makes it true.  If so, then I'm not a progressive, I'm an infallible.  Progressives are only progressing toward perfection.  I'm already there, because I'm an infallible. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Steve Morse translates musician-speak:

"That guy can only play fast and he has no emotion."

Translation: "I can't play. Fast."

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

and that fear has real consequences. John Crawford III is dead for carrying a toy bb gun in Wal-Mart while white men in Texas practice their right to "open carry" in Hardees, and are no worse for the wear. Is that fair? Is that justice?

Are you implying that black men (and black and white women) are not allowed to open carry in Texas?

Sorry I screwed the quote up, but you had so many quotes, it was hard to capture a small part.

Texas is not an open carry state for handguns. 

You can open carry a rifle, I suppose, although I've never seen anyone do so at any commercial establishment.  As I pointed out in a post earlier, a tea party person open carried a rifle in Arizona, and was accused by MSNBC of being anti-Obama and racist for doing so.  What MSNBC didn't reveal, however, was that the fellow was black. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I wouldn't even be discussing this with you (or Admin, or Tarheel, or Ransom) or any other Diet Racist, except for the fact that your attitudes affect real people.

I don't know what the Hyles a "Diet Racist" is supposed to be, so I suppose I should be vaguely offended at the somewhat false-ish accusation sort of thing.

The Diet Racist video was supposed to be funny.  It wasn't.  I only watched the first few jokes.  The first joke was actually based on a valid point.  Nobody questions whether or not Black Entertainment Television is appropriate.  But if anyone started a White Entertainment Television channel, the torches and pitchforks would come out against those nasty racists. 

So the question is, if WET would be racist, why isn't BET racist?  IMO, it is racist.  Not criminally so, but technically, it is.  And it points to one of the problems in race and culture relations.  How can anyone be color-blind or culture-blind to a group when that group of people continually self-segregates based on their color or culture? 

I understand there's a market for BET, and if there's a market, I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of that market.  But what's good for the goose... don't complain if a market emerges for WET and someone serves it. 

 

[Ransom]

These days you are called racist if you think Asians are the most intelligent people.

These days you're called racist if you're not Asian, but you wear a kimono.

 

[T-Bone]

and that fear has real consequences. John Crawford III is dead for carrying a toy bb gun in Wal-Mart while white men in Texas practice their right to "open carry" in Hardees, and are no worse for the wear. Is that fair? Is that justice?

Are you implying that black men (and black and white women) are not allowed to open carry in Texas?

Sorry I screwed the quote up, but you had so many quotes, it was hard to capture a small part.

Texas is not an open carry state for handguns. 

You can open carry a rifle, I suppose, although I've never seen anyone do so at any commercial establishment.  As I pointed out in a post earlier, a tea party person open carried a rifle in Arizona, and was accused by MSNBC of being anti-Obama and racist for doing so.  What MSNBC didn't reveal, however, was that the fellow was black.

Just for information sake...here in Arizona you can conceal carry a handgun without a permit...and it doesn't matter what color your skin is.