Anyone watch Let's us Prey on ID

For the most part, I’ve been in attendance at IFB churches my entire life. I’m only aware of one incident in my lifetime in which I questioned whether the church officials took the appropriate action. It involved a Bible college student/youth pastor intern (a senior probably around 22 years old) who got involved in an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old girl in the youth group. I’m unaware of whether law enforcement got involved or not, but I always got the impression they weren’t. Regardless, those same two individuals had their parents notified. Both married one another a few months later when the girl turned 18 and they’ve probably been married for 25+ years at this point and have several kids.
 
I finished the series yesterday. The one segment in which the woman walked into the church to confront the situation (which shouldn't have been done for the cameras btw, because that relegated the action to a stunt) and seeing them picket, I said out loud, "I get it."

How do you fight back?

Where actual crimes are committed, you report it and you bravely testify. And that's what they did, and then you have the force of the state behind you. And do NOT hold back for any reason. That was my mistake after the first row. I could have had the kids arrested for criminal trespass, and as the legal process unfolded, they very well could have been looking at attempted kidnapping charges as well.

The officer asked me if that's what I wanted done. I said no, because I thought there was some massive misunderstanding somewhere that would eventually be cleared up.

But the only thing my mitigation allowed them to do was to regroup.

My situation is a negative of the stories in the series. In hindsight I can see that my daughters were being groomed and brainwashed. The Swollen Toad Queen croaked once, "As soon as I saw your girls I knew they were just perfect for my boys."

My oldest was planning to attend college right out of high school, and when she said she wanted to marry this boy instead (after all, why would a keeper at home need a kolluj ejukashun? [as if her own mother didn't provide ample reason]) I asked if she could just wait a year. Go to college. (I could pay for it. I was making good money at the time.) and if after a year, she still felt like toad boy was the one, then fine. I knew, and so did the incestuous knot, that she would discover she really didn't want a marriage with that.

Amazingly enough, she said she would wait. But it would only be a few months, and she wasn't going to school. Well, naturally, not being separated from that situation defeated the purpose of waiting, but it was still enough to make that entire bog of toad-spawn hopping mad. I had dared to contradict them, and worse, I still had some influence with my own daughters

Don't think for a minute they were going to let that be. You remember the bag of bones [who married] the pedo? For all her haggard condition, her tongue was lively enough.

Fast forward a little over two years to just after that first row where I didn't press charges and lost my chance to fight back with the force of the state, I started showing up at their church for services. Not every week. I've worked Sundays for years, so it was the rare times when I had a Sunday off. And sometimes I would take a Sunday off to do so.

I dropped notes in the offering plate, reporting on the behavior of their cult. Of course the cadaver couldn't pass up any chance to wheeze her jabs, and soon everyone knew why I was there.

And when I was told not to come back. I started picketing.

One learns how to fight.
 
Back to the series though. I'm not sure they can blame these events on the IFBs. They say this is an IFB thing, and I don't see it that way. The common law doctrine of coverature, what they call the umbrella, is ages old. It wasn't until the 20th Century, that that doctrine fell completely to Feminism. Most commentary falsely asserts that the doctrine made the woman the property of the husband. It is true that all the property she had prior to marriage came under the legal control of the husband, but . . . he could not sell it without her consent, and the doctrine compelled a husband to protect the wife and provide her a living commensurate with his degree of wealth and social status, meaning that he was not the sole beneficiary of any gain realized by his disposal of her property.

The doctrine also protected the woman from civil suits. She could not be sued, without the consent of her husband.

And under that legal doctrine, were women and minors being raped everytime someone turned around?

Is Judaism to blame for the rape of Tamar? A Feminist would say yes.

And I think that's really what's going on in this series. The tragic experiences of these six women are being exploited to tarnish Christianity, ultimately. All we're told is that these six women got out of church, and their abuse stopped.
 
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Ekklesian said:
I finished the series yesterday. The one segment in which the woman walked into the church to confront the situation (which shouldn't have been done for the cameras btw, because that relegated the action to a stunt) and seeing them picket, I said out loud, "I get it."

How do you fight back?

Where actual crimes are committed, you report it and you bravely testify. And that's what they did, and then you have the force of the state behind you. And do NOT hold back for any reason. That was my mistake after the first row. I could have had the kids arrested for criminal trespass, and as the legal process unfolded, they very well could have been looking at attempted kidnapping charges as well.

The officer asked me if that's what I wanted done. I said no, because I thought there was some massive misunderstanding somewhere that would eventually be cleared up.

But the only thing my mitigation allowed them to do was to regroup.

My situation is a negative of the stories in the series. In hindsight I can see that my daughters were being groomed and brainwashed. The Swollen Toad Queen croaked once, "As soon as I saw your girls I knew they were just perfect for my boys."

My oldest was planning to attend college right out of high school, and when she said she wanted to marry this boy instead (after all, why would a keeper at home need a kolluj ejukashun? [as if her own mother didn't provide ample reason]) I asked if she could just wait a year. Go to college. (I could pay for it. I was making good money at the time.) and if after a year, she still felt like toad boy was the one, then fine. I knew, and so did the incestuous knot, that she would discover she really didn't want a marriage with that.

Amazingly enough, she said she would wait. But it would only be a few months, and she wasn't going to school. Well, naturally, not being separated from that situation defeated the purpose of waiting, but it was still enough to make that entire bog of toad-spawn hopping mad. I had dared to contradict them, and worse, I still had some influence with my own daughters

Don't think for a minute they were going to let that be. You remember the bag of bones [who married] the pedo? For all her haggard condition, her tongue was lively enough.

Fast forward a little over two years to just after that first row where I didn't press charges and lost my chance to fight back with the force of the state, I started showing up at their church for services. Not every week. I've worked Sundays for years, so it was the rare times when I had a Sunday off. And sometimes I would take a Sunday off to do so.

I dropped notes in the offering plate, reporting on the behavior of their cult. Of course the cadaver couldn't pass up any chance to wheeze her jabs, and soon everyone knew why I was there.

And when I was told not to come back. I started picketing.

One learns how to fight.
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This sounds like it was a horrific destruction of your children.
 
We haven't even talked about the preacher who shouted from the pulpit, "Tell your wife to SHUT UP!!" For the record, I never have heard a preacher say that but my goodness, that guy was something else.
 
Jo said:
We haven't even talked about the preacher who shouted from the pulpit, "Tell your wife to SHUT UP!!" For the record, I never have heard a preacher say that but my goodness, that guy was something else.
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Any idea who it was?
 
Bob Jones V said:
This sounds like it was a horrific destruction of your children.
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After my oldest agreed to wait to marry, then Janet, the pedo-loving hag in league with her mother, the Swollen Toad Queen and her attending newts, put their venomous tongues into overdrive and embarked on a defamation campaign, which, once it bore fruit, had my kids thoroughly convinced that they had been abused all their lives, and that I was abusing their younger sister, and in full cultic fashion sent them on a mission with their 'husbands' to rescue her.

Bursting into my house their first words were to my youngest, 14 at the time, (she's 24 now) "You're coming with us." I was completely bewildered, so was she, but I immediately interposed myself, sent my youngest to her room, and ordered them out of the house. I would try to find out what was going on later. They refused to leave, and my son in law got into my face and started screaming at me about how I was treating his wife, and his sister-in-law and how he didn't want to have to call family services so I should just let them set the conditions for any future relationship with them and leave with Abigail.

They obviously had come to believe their own lies, and they must have thought that I would want to cover my sins by yielding to their assault, which wasn't the first one of that family's I came to find out later. I said, "Go ahead and call. In the meantime, I'm calling the police."

That was not what they expected. While the others were nervously waiting for the police, and talking among themselves about just leaving, my first son-in-law was on and off in my face, fully duped by his own narcisism and his swollen queen mother that he was in the right. He obviously didn't expect a violent reaction from me, which belied their accusations, but one was brewing.

Ten minutes later the police still hadn't shown. So I called again, "Listen, I called you guys a while ago telling you my son in law is over here trying to provoke me into a fight. Now if you don't get here soon, he's going to succeed. I'm jussayin'."

"Sir, please stay on the phone."

"I'm sorry, I can't. Just get here."

About three minutes later two squad cars arrived, and the officers, after assessing the situation, and warning all four of them that they were all about to be hauled to jail, asked me if I wanted to press charges.

I should have said yes, but I said no. And they were escorted out of my house and sent home. A second and more public humiliation for that knot of toads.

This was the beginning of sorrows.
 
I re-watched one of the episodes. They give the guy's name and the name of the church.
 
Jo said:
I re-watched one of the episodes. They give the guy's name and the name of the church.
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Care to share the name so we don't have to go back and watch it?
 
I watched it. It could have been harsher. I think the broad brush hurt what they were trying to do with this documentary. If I was on the outside looking in, I would probably be saying, "Yeah, that probably didn't happen" when the people describe events like how the baby was treated. Stick to the facts as the story is compelling without the outlier stories. Statements like, "They all have at least one bus" doesn't help anyone. I can name a dozen off the top of my head that don't have any. But I'm also skeptical when I see documentaries on other groups. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


But I'm so happy these ladies had their stories told and they have a voice.
 
It was mentioned in this thread about whether or not this is a systematic problem. When confronted on this several years ago, it sent me thinking and studying. Here's what I came up with:

First, "It happens everywhere" isn't a good optic even if true. How do we deal with it where we have control?

I don't believe sexual abuse to be systemic in independent Baptist churches more than anywhere else. But there are things we/they do that make the problem worse:

1. Focus on numbers. Production becomes the most important thing. This is then seen as success then the productive people are promoted. Ever hear before Pastors School, "Our next speaker runs a church of 40"? Never. Might not even be saved. But they're productive.

2. We don't let people go. Since #1 is so important, we fight to keep people in our church that maybe don't belong there. Maybe God is moving them out. But we argue and chase. Stop it.

3. Wrong policies. I know of a church in the next town over that has had no less than 5 molestations in his church in 25 years. He once said to me, "But we're Christians and at some point we have to trust people!" Nope. I even said it. "Um...no". Nothing was hidden there and nothing swept under the carpet. But still.

10-12 years ago I received a call from another pastor 2 hours away because he was sending someone my way. "What's the story?" "Something was found out about his past where he SA a family member. It doesn't go the level of molestation as they were close in age and both 'curious'. But he can't be the same house as his kids until the trial is over." There was an expectation that I would just let this guy go to our church while the trial was going on (his family was in my town). "Hell no". They were pretty angry and said once, "At some point we have to love people"...a lot of pressure was put on me. Again, No. We did offer to have a separate service just for him in the afternoon with only the pastor and a few other men present. He refused and ended up going to the church in scenario #2.

In the early days of our church, a man asked another family if their two daughters wanted to ride to baptisms with him. We baptized at the river. They were new to church and asked me about it because they were confused. "Is this part of what you do in church?" Again, HELL NO. Your kids aren't a library book to be checked out to anyone who asks. The guy who asked was offended and never came back. I'm fine with that.

Mom and Dad should be the heroes of the home, not the pastor nor the youth pastor. Church is a support role, not a lording role.

We allow sleepovers and camps like it's not a big deal. Stupid. In cars alone with teens and kids that aren't yours? Asking for trouble.

Holding up people with a BS in Theology as someone who has the wherewithal to counsel big issues. They MIGHT. But it's a case-by-case call.

4. We attract some people with mental illnesses that LOVE that we teach in a black-and-white manner. OCPD. I'm speaking of seemingly functional adults. Then these people are gung ho so we put them in charge of stuff. Instead of looking for healing, we look to use their rigidness, production, and (initial) loyalty to seemingly strengthen our churches. Go Google "OCPD" and tell me that isn't a lot of people in these churches that are placed in leadership roles.

Systematically we encourage these and don't make the connection to the idiots we attract and keep, nor their actions.

So yes, something is systemic but we're focusing on the outcome and not the foundational issues.
 
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