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.tim
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If you tithed on the original income, you don’t need to tithe again ... right?
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christundivided
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.tim said:
Don't try to use logic on a tither..... Its often useless.
I would say logic would dictate that if you live long enough..... You might would see a "increase"
.tim said:
It depends; for people just retiring today, probably not.
Consider: if you went to the store, and bought $30 of groceries, and handled the clerk a $50 bill, you'd get $20 in change. No one that I've ever heard preach claims that you should "tithe" on the $20.
In the same vein, if you purchase something for $150 and you receive a refund of $30, I don't consider that $30 an "increase" - it's no different (to me) that getting change in the first illustration. I have to confess that I have heard at least one "preacher" claim that since the "regular" price is $150, you saved $30, thus having an "increase" of $30 and one should tithe on it. (I don't agree with this rationale)
When we come to social security, it's a forced savings program (in theory); while you were working, the government was taking your money, holding it for you, and then giving it back after you retire. Thus, if you contributed $100,000 to SS over your working lifetime, I would not tithe off of the social security income until and unless it exceeds what I put into it; before that, they are just paying you back your own money.
Note that the above is a very tightly defined and highly rules-oriented look at what to give - it's a bit like the Pharisees counting mustard seeds and anise to get exactly the required offering. Jesus said, talking of giving, For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Bottom line: I would consider, depending on my circumstances, giving some of it as income -- I would ask God to provide guidance, and be willing to follow him, but I don't believe a tithe is required based on the discussion above.
Final note: I know that many do not believe that a Christian should tithe; I am NOT addressing the issue here; I assume that you believe in tithing, and I have answered accordingly. I personally believe that a Christian should support his church and should ask God what he should give; it may be much higher than just 10%.
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AresMan
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Here is what is titheable:.tim said:
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
Lev 27:34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.
You cannot tithe, it's impossible.
It took me forever to get this reconciled within me.Old covenant tithing of 10% only applied to certain Isrealites and it was done away with. Tithing sustained their government and Gods work. Our modern Government is now funded through various Taxes and scripture in the NT reflects this. We pay far more than 10% of our income in various taxes. The New Covenant along with it's new commands, opportunity for redemption, and introduction of Love as the first and foremost commandment replaced that flawed system. Clinging to a certain time period, of certain peoples, within a certain territory of the world, or their commands & laws, it cannot be used as a standard for us all today. Some people make so much $ they should give more than 10% imho, whatever their heart proposes after prayer. To grab a number from an old flawed system is interfering with the holy spirit in the believer, and NT command about giving. You need to give cheerfully whatever you proposed in your heart but i will also pray for you. Prayer is the only real answer. It took me forever almost to get this reconciled within me.
Oh and I'd heed 1Timothy 5:8 which is a command for men to be self supporting and support their kin financially. Those that fall in or around poverty level, probably shouldn't be cheerfully giving much $$ but that's not my call. Maybe a quarter each Sunday. Supporting the family is a command and to oppose it willfully means being deemed an infidel, an unbeliever. God knows who's trying and who's not. Other major sins like Murder, Drunkenness for example.. do not carry the automatic definition of being unsaved. They are only linked to the unsaved, again, they do not automatically deem us as such - So this sin is bigtime grevious and akin to Blasphemy & Worshiping another God. But like all sins, I still think it can be redeemed from and the worst Sinners are often the Most Righteous when they are transformed via the Holy Spirit
It took me forever to get this reconciled within me.Old covenant tithing of 10% only applied to certain Isrealites and it was done away with. Tithing sustained their government and Gods work. Our modern Government is now funded through various Taxes and scripture in the NT reflects this. We pay far more than 10% of our income in various taxes. The New Covenant along with it's new commands, opportunity for redemption, and introduction of Love as the first and foremost commandment replaced that flawed system. Clinging to a certain time period, of certain peoples, within a certain territory of the world, or their commands & laws, it cannot be used as a standard for us all today. Some people make so much $ they should give more than 10% imho, whatever their heart proposes after prayer. To grab a number from an old flawed system is interfering with the holy spirit in the believer, and NT command about giving. You need to give cheerfully whatever you proposed in your heart but i will also pray for you. Prayer is the only real answer. It took me forever almost to get this reconciled within me.
Oh and I'd heed 1Timothy 5:8 which is a command for men to be self supporting and support their kin financially. Those that fall in or around poverty level, probably shouldn't be cheerfully giving much $$ but that's not my call. Maybe a quarter each Sunday. Supporting the family is a command and to oppose it willfully means being deemed an infidel, an unbeliever. God knows who's trying and who's not. Other major sins like Murder, Drunkenness for example.. do not carry the automatic definition of being unsaved. They are only linked to the unsaved, again, they do not automatically deem us as such - So this sin is bigtime grevious and akin to Blasphemy & Worshiping another God. But like all sins, I still think it can be redeemed from and the worst Sinners are often the Most Righteous when they are transformed via the Holy Spirit