AVOIDING THEOLOGY FOR THE SAKE OF "MINISTRY"

TimbauxRioux

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Many years ago, a man surfaced who was supposed to have had great teaching abilities. Being Deaf himself, and probably “deaf-voiced” like me, ministry was limited to the Deaf world. Though he didn’t travel abroad weekly, there were two or three annual events that he always attended, and was one of the main preachers/teachers.

Then, the cat got out the bag. He told everyone where he stood on just about every imaginable issue concerning God, the Bible, and church. After that, things slowed for him. He came to my church when I was 23. He saw me preach, and when I was done, he took me out to eat and was going to tell, me, as he warned me, things I need to know.

First, thing he said was that I had to be careful with my attitude toward those who disagreed with me. Second thing he said was, and this was funny, how he signed it, “you not need tell everyone EVERYTHING you believe.”

It turns out he was someone that was more in line with the Assemblies of God. He believed the doctrine that group teaches, and he also believed that there should be a governing body hovering above the local churches that had the authority to reach in and lay down the law.

Anyway,. From this… what I understood him to be telling me was that we should avoid THEOLOGY, and DOCTRINE, once we step outside of our own church. I do agree with this a bit.

Take, for example, Joyce Meyer. Long ago, when she first came up, her teachings were scrutinized and she ended up sounding so Hagan-ish. A ton of expose’ could be found on the internet. Bible Discernment Ministries was one I saw long ago. I emailed Rick, the man who runs that, and talked with him back and forth a bit. No doubt, when Joyce Meyer let her own theology be known, she was pushed aside.

Today, she has a “practical” ministry that does not touch on doctrine. I would go so far as saying she avoids THEOLOGY in her ministry because it DIVIDES and SEPARATES.

It is so much different for those of us who work in local churches. There is no way a church could or should avoid theology and doctrine. My friend from school attends a Hybels type church and they do not have a statement of faith. Life Church is the name of that particular group. No statement of faith.  Draws a huge crowd each week.

Tell people how to live a happy life. Tell people how to enjoy life every day. Tell people how to weather the storms life brings. 

But don’t tell them about theology and doctrine, because if you start on that, people will leave.

That’s how it goes. That is how some churches and some ministries think.... stay away from doctrine and theology... avoid it.

That’s one of the reasons why I don’t mind going to a small church.

I always thought doctrine was the first thing a person should look at when looking for a church.
 
Slightly off topic -- I went to a church in Trenton, NJ once where the preacher had learned some sign language and used it during announcements.  The only problem is that every time he said "Trenton", he actually signed "toilet".  Which, technically, is not that big a mistake. 

 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Slightly off topic -- I went to a church in Trenton, NJ once where the preacher had learned some sign language and used it during announcements.  The only problem is that every time he said "Trenton", he actually signed "toilet".  Which, technically, is not that big a mistake.

It happens... mr friend Bruce was given a sign name that is the same as  b***h, and my interpreter trainee kept signing S*** for the word "dung". ha. funny stuff.
 
Pragmatism isn't new
 
subllibrm said:
Pragmatism isn't new

It isn't new..but....before....church names told a lot about thhe church...presby baptist methodist...and if they were pragmatic in ministry at least they had an identifier in the name of the church...today..you go to Life Church...and they are pragmatic..no statement of faith....
 
TimbauxRioux said:
subllibrm said:
Pragmatism isn't new

It isn't new..but....before....church names told a lot about thhe church...presby baptist methodist...and if they were pragmatic in ministry at least they had an identifier in the name of the church...today..you go to Life Church...and they are pragmatic..no statement of faith....

First Unity Family Christian Fellowship Community Church at The Pointe - how much more do you need to know?  ;)
 
subllibrm said:
TimbauxRioux said:
subllibrm said:
Pragmatism isn't new

It isn't new..but....before....church names told a lot about thhe church...presby baptist methodist...and if they were pragmatic in ministry at least they had an identifier in the name of the church...today..you go to Life Church...and they are pragmatic..no statement of faith....

First Unity Family Christian Fellowship Community Church at The Pointe - how much more do you need to know?  ;)
Exactly. They meet in the Family Life Center for blended worship services and they guarantee an affirming and relevant message.
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
subllibrm said:
TimbauxRioux said:
subllibrm said:
Pragmatism isn't new

It isn't new..but....before....church names told a lot about thhe church...presby baptist methodist...and if they were pragmatic in ministry at least they had an identifier in the name of the church...today..you go to Life Church...and they are pragmatic..no statement of faith....

First Unity Family Christian Fellowship Community Church at The Pointe - how much more do you need to know?  ;)
Exactly. They meet in the Family Life Center for blended worship services and they guarantee an affirming and relevant message.


i think i know this church, does the pastor preach wearing a mickey mouse shirt?
 
Very good observations, and an interesting topic for a thread.  Personally, I've never been real fond of the self-help gurus (some of which are in IFB-land too) because it is more about our needs and what we should do than trusting in Christ and reveling in what He has done.  It is radically out of balance in terms of the focus on man.
 
Theology in church is scriptural. Outside of your local church is another matter.

Our only responsibility is to spread the GOOD NEWS

Feeding Meat to those whom are still feeding on milk can backfire because they aren't ready

And we don't know them well enough so misunderstandings happen easily

Some subjects are too divisive, and often drive people away from Christ.

Same can be said for politics. Outside of church, when going beyond spreading the good news, one must be careful

 
true dat.... self help folks... i really feel are so man-focused...almost psychological lecture

I remember one pastor i had absolutely HATED anything para-church. It seemed like he saw those groups as "competition",, he felt he was pulling his congregation in one way, and they'd go to these para-church events and get pulled in the opposite direction.
 
It has been my experience after many years in the IFB universe, that many IFB-pastors (especially HAC-grads) shun (and disdain) theology. The reason? IMHO they know very little or any theology. And their preaching/teaching shows their lack of theology.

Theology is a deep subject and can at times be intimidating, however, the basics of theology can be grasped and taught without difficulty. The problem (again IMHO) is laziness and/or lack of interest. Many pastors who lack any kind of theology do not want to know any kind of theology.

Soul winning and bus routes is not everything in the church or Christianity.
 
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