Because There's No Such Thing as a [s]Conspiracy[/s] Coverup

Bruh said:
How many times I gotta tell you? There are women that have already said they would testify. I’m not talking about the women that do not want to testify.
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and how many times i gotta tell you?...... cases involving people abused as children by pedophiles have to be handled carefully... .... those not willing to have their names published in such a case have good reasons for it.... even the well intentioned testimony of another victim made public can cause devastating damage to those wanting to remain annonymous as adults....... ... .... ..... people who indicate a desire to testify... especially if they seem overly anxious to do so.... are the ones most likely to cause the most damage... .......

you need to ask yourself why you are so anxious to see the testimony of girls sexually abused as children....... .. and can you live just knowing the case is being pursued but in ways not made public?......... i already know you don;t give a rip about helping former victims of sexual abuse recover and restore their lives... ... everything you have posted indicates to me you and your church would just write them off as damaged goods... used garbage... and throw them away.. .......
 
aleshanee said:
and how many times i gotta tell you?...... cases involving people abused as children by pedophiles have to be handled carefully... .... those not willing to have their names published in such a case have good reasons for it.... even the well intentioned testimony of another victim made public can cause devastating damage to those wanting to remain annonymous as adults....... ... .... ..... people who indicate a desire to testify... especially if they seem overly anxious to do so.... are the ones most likely to cause the most damage... .......

you need to ask yourself why you are so anxious to see the testimony of girls sexually abused as children....... .. and can you live just knowing the case is being pursued but in ways not made public?......... i already know you don;t give a rip about helping former victims of sexual abuse recover and restore their lives... ... everything you have posted indicates to me you and your church would just write them off as damaged goods... used garbage... and throw them away.. .......
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I don’t even know what to say to this. Except to say, I believe I’m one of the only ones on here, that say a child sexual predator should never be a member of a church. No mercy, no grace, no nothing.
 
Bruh said:
I don’t even know what to say to this. Except to say, I believe I’m one of the only ones on here, that say a child sexual predator should never be a member of a church. No mercy, no grace, no nothing.
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Do you differentiate between being a member and just attending the church?
 
Bruh said:
I don’t even know what to say to this. Except to say, I believe I’m one of the only ones on here, that say a child sexual predator should never be a member of a church. No mercy, no grace, no nothing.
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no you are not.... .. . i have been saying that for years.... i won;t even go near a church where a former child predator is in attendance and not separated from the rest of the congregation.... ...... ... . but the difference in us is i work in ministries that work to help survivors of childhood abuse and other injuries from abusive men.... in a church that doesn;t make abuse victims feel like they are something soiled and used - no longer good enough to even sit in church with the rest of you.. .... and for your information it;s not a baptist church.... .... i don;t go anywhere near baptist churches like the one you attend... . ... i got thoroughly sick of hearing them brag about their jail ministries to predatory men while treating victims of those same men like trash.... ..... all you want is your pound flesh..... .. but you have no idea what to do with it..... ..
 
DoctorDuck said:
Do you differentiate between being a member and just attending the church?
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Yes, that’s a huge difference. Becoming a member, leadership puts their stamp of approval on this vile person. Legally, I don’t know if a church could not allow a pervert to attend or not.
 
aleshanee said:
no you are not.... .. . i have been saying that for years.... i won;t even go near a church where a former child predator is in attendance and not separated from the rest of the congregation.... ...... ... . but the difference in us is i work in ministries that work to help survivors of childhood abuse and other injuries from abusive men.... in a church that doesn;t make abuse victims feel like they are something soiled and used - no longer good enough to even sit in church with the rest of you.. .... and for your information it;s not a baptist church.... .... i don;t go anywhere near baptist churches like the one you attend... . ... i got thoroughly sick of hearing them brag about their jail ministries to predatory men while treating victims of those same men like trash.... ..... all you want is your pound flesh..... .. but you have no idea what to do with it..... ..
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The church we attend is non denominational. I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again. The pastor said from the pulpit, if you are on the child sex predator list there are men in the auditorium that have your name and picture. You will not take the offering, you will not be on the parking lot team, you will not sing in front of anyone. You will sit in the back and leave when the service is over. There are men that are watching you right now.

He said this in a Sunday morning service. This is one of the reasons I bring my family.
 
Bruh said:
Yes, that’s a huge difference. Becoming a member, leadership puts their stamp of approval on this vile person. Legally, I don’t know if a church could not allow a pervert to attend or not.
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OK, well I wasn’t part of those conversations, and I don’t have time to read every post, but my opinion would be he (or could be a she) should be allowed to attend church in a restricted manner (like an assigned guard with him, maybe a church member who is an off-duty police officer). I don’t think he should be allowed to be a member though. That’s just my opinion without putting much thought into it, and I’m not sure what might be considered the proper biblical way to handle it. Honestly, I’d probably have to put a lot more thought and research into it because it’s possible I might change my mind on this one.
 
Bruh said:
The church we attend is non denominational. I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again. The pastor said from the pulpit, if you are on the child sex predator list there are men in the auditorium that have your name and picture. You will not take the offering, you will not be on the parking lot team, you will not sing in front of anyone. You will sit in the back and leave when the service is over. There are men that are watching you right now.

He said this in a Sunday morning service. This is one of the reasons I bring my family.
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i learned from hard experience some of which was right here on the fff... that to a baptist the only thing more despicable than a child predator is the child predators victim..... ... do you think your lame joke saying i must live in a halfway house was the first time i had ever heard something like that?...... .... can you understand how victims that are up to now anonymous see that kind of thing and decide they would rather keep quite than go through something like themselves?..... .. and that;s nothing compared to some of things that were said here on this fundamentalist christian forum.... ...
 
aleshanee said:
i learned from hard experience some of which was right here on the fff... that to a baptist the only thing more despicable than a child predator is the child predators victim..... ... do you think your lame joke saying i must live in a halfway house was the first time i had ever heard something like that?...... .... can you understand how victims that are up to now anonymous see that kind of thing and decide they would rather keep quite than go through something like themselves?..... .. and that;s nothing compared to some of things that were said here on this fundamentalist christian forum.... ...
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I understand what you’re saying. And I apologize for telling you that. However, if you do not want others to throw things like that at you I’d recommend (if you are ok with that) not to call others names. In other words, if you are going to dish it out you might want to be willing to take it just the same.

I will try and do better and not call you names.
 
Bruh said:
I understand what you’re saying. And I apologize for telling you that. However, if you do not want others to throw things like that at you I’d recommend (if you are ok with that) not to call others names. In other words, if you are going to dish it out you might want to be willing to take it just the same.

I will try and do better and not call you names.
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thank you.... ... name calling gets out of hand in both directions.... . i apologize for my part in it.... .. most of it is just a simple name that doesn;t ring personal or bring back painful memories...and it doesn;t bother me to be called it any more than it bothered the person to say it............ ..

but in some cases it can be more than a silly back and forth and becomes an attempt to injure ... or at least appears to be..... .i;m not going to remain quiet just because i was once a victim of abuse and might be hurt by one name calling incident more than i might be over another... ..... but i will take note of who said something and the context in which it was said............. and i won;t forget it....... ... .... .

the "toots" comment which was repeated multiple times - even though i made it clear i considered that a vile insult - told me a lot about the people that kept on saying it to the point they seemed trying to rub it in..

.... people can say what they want on a forum but i would never go anywhere near someone in the real world who repeated things like that... or other things along those lines.... .. ...... and i will view everything they say through a very different lens from that moment on - than i would someone elses comment on the forum..... ... .burnt bridges are not easily rebuilt......
 
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Ransom said:
What stopped them from 2021-24?
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I don’t know Ransom, it’s politics. There donors and friends are probably in their too. I do believe the voters gave them a mandate and one of them was the Epstein files. If all the democrats do is haul people to court and get nothing else done, I’d suspect people will not be happy. Only to prove again, that there’s not much difference between republicans and democrats.

My understanding is that you believe that there’s nothing more there and that’s fine.

No one knows where his money came from.
Les Wexner gave him power of attorney.
“Epstein could sign checks, hire employees, make investments, and buy and sell property on Wexner's behalf.”
Larry Summers, former treasury secretary.
“Had an extended relationship with Epstein involving meetings, dinners and correspondence.
Ehud Barak
“One of Epstein's significant international political connections. Barak acknowledged visiting Epstein dozens of times, including at his New York residence. Epstein also invested in a technology company associated with Barak.

I could go on but I’m sitting outside of the gym and need to go in.

I know, I know the FBI says there’s nothing more to see. I disagree you believe I’m a low IQ, stupid idiot, tin foil hat wearing fool for believing this 😂 and that’s fine.

I also believe that the case holder that worked for the FDA made legal opioid and a couple years later was hired by the same company. You believe there’s nothing there 😂 oooook
 
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