Ben Fields: Hero or rogue cop?

[subllibrm]

This all never would have happened if  Black people would have quit blaming their behaviour on White racism while being encouraged by White liberals like Smelling Coffee to play  the victim card.  Just saying.

Them people jus' needs to know their place.  :

Once again you brush all White people as racists because they believe there should be one standard of behaviour.  Not the double standard that is promoted, encouraged and enforced by President Obama.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/eric-holder-wants-race-based-quotas-on-school-discipline-too-many-blacks-are-suspended/

So getting pulled over for "driving black" would stop if they would all jus' know their place.

I rest my case.

Blair Underwood might have a thought or two on your "case".

 

[biscuit1953]

This all never would have happened if  Black people would have quit blaming their behaviour on White racism while being encouraged by White liberals like Smelling Coffee to play  the victim card.  Just saying.

Them people jus' needs to know their place.  :

Once again you brush all White people as racists because they believe there should be one standard of behaviour.  Not the double standard that is promoted, encouraged and enforced by President Obama.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/eric-holder-wants-race-based-quotas-on-school-discipline-too-many-blacks-are-suspended/

So getting pulled over for "driving black" would stop if they would all jus' know their place.

I rest my case.

Blair Underwood might have a thought or two on your "case".

This is to counter your silly racist argument.
http://mrconservative.com/2014/08/48057-black-officer-shoots-white-man-no-media-outrage/

[youtube]JgS94Tfrs6E[/youtube]

 

[subllibrm]

This all never would have happened if  Black people would have quit blaming their behaviour on White racism while being encouraged by White liberals like Smelling Coffee to play  the victim card.  Just saying.

Them people jus' needs to know their place.  :

Once again you brush all White people as racists because they believe there should be one standard of behaviour.  Not the double standard that is promoted, encouraged and enforced by President Obama.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/eric-holder-wants-race-based-quotas-on-school-discipline-too-many-blacks-are-suspended/

So getting pulled over for "driving black" would stop if they would all jus' know their place.

I rest my case.

Blair Underwood might have a thought or two on your "case".

This is to counter your silly racist argument.
http://mrconservative.com/2014/08/48057-black-officer-shoots-white-man-no-media-outrage/

[youtube]JgS94Tfrs6E[/youtube]

So just to clear, you are saying that Blair Underwood didn't get pulled over for driving black?

 

[biscuit1953]

Sillibrm:  "So just to clear, you are saying that Blair Underwood didn't get pulled over for driving black?" 

Just to be clear Whites are pulled over "driving while White" in bad Black neighborhoods where drug deals and other illegal activities are taking place because of reasonable suspicion.  It's called good police work.  You take one example (assuming he is telling the truth) and paint White cops as racist.  There are many examples of cops pulling over White people for made up reasons also. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

So just to clear, you are saying that Blair Underwood didn't get pulled over for driving black?

People complain about discrimination.

The irony here is that it is racist when a cop indiscriminately pulls over a black driver.  It is also racist when a cop indiscriminately pulls over a white driver just to be "fair". 

It is NOT racist when a cop pulls over a black driver for discriminating reasons -- that is, there's a justification for suspecting a black driver over a white driver.  Likewise, it is not racist when a cop pulls over a white driver for discriminating reasons -- that is, there's a justification for suspecting a white driver over a black driver. 

Discrimination is actually a sign of intelligence.  A discriminating shopper is a good shopper because he/she selects merchandise based on intelligence [information] and reason. 

 

[Bruh]

This all never would have happened if  Black people would have quit blaming their behaviour on White racism while being encouraged by White liberals like Smelling Coffee to play  the victim card.  Just saying.

Them people jus' needs to know their place.  :

I'm not black and I sure know my place.

What's wrong with knowing ur place.

 

[subllibrm]

You guys are funny!

 

[Billy]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-who-is-ben-fields/

Well, excessive force, or appropriate treatment of a delinquent?


My opinion?....





Pro 13:15  Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors is hard.

8)

Well...
Since this happened in my lovely city let me say this.

He used excessive force given where he was and with whom he was dealing with.  If this happened in our entertainment district it would not even be on the news, but because it happened in a school..different story.

The young lady in question was allowed to return to class today and all charges against her have been dropped.

It sends the wrong signal all the way around...cops should not be dragging teenage girls through the class room and swinging on a police officer should have consequences.

Bill

 

[ALAYMAN]

Well...
Since this happened in my lovely city let me say this.

He used excessive force given where he was and with whom he was dealing with.  If this happened in our entertainment district it would not even be on the news, but because it happened in a school..different story.

The young lady in question was allowed to return to class today and all charges against her have been dropped.

It sends the wrong signal all the way around...cops should not be dragging teenage girls through the class room and swinging on a police officer should have consequences.

Bill

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

 

[Billy]

Well...
Since this happened in my lovely city let me say this.

He used excessive force given where he was and with whom he was dealing with.  If this happened in our entertainment district it would not even be on the news, but because it happened in a school..different story.

The young lady in question was allowed to return to class today and all charges against her have been dropped.

It sends the wrong signal all the way around...cops should not be dragging teenage girls through the class room and swinging on a police officer should have consequences.

Bill

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

I'm sure scripture is right. 

 

[rsc2a]

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

Except traffic laws. Those you should ignore then brag about on social media.

Apparently pastors get to pick and choose when to obey the law.

(I get the strong suspicion that had a black teenager been riding around with eight folks in a Civic, people would be cheering the police state for stopping the little hood rats, not brushing it off as "oh well".)

 

[Thomas Cassidy]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-who-is-ben-fields/

Well, excessive force, or appropriate treatment of a delinquent?

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be the teen was acting like a thug and refusing to obey her teacher and an administrator, and the cop over-reacted and used too much force too soon?

 

[T-Bone]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-who-is-ben-fields/

Well, excessive force, or appropriate treatment of a delinquent?

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be the teen was acting like a thug and refusing to obey her teacher and an administrator, and the cop over-reacted and used too much force too soon?

Tom would you stop trying to be rational and use common sense...this demands that we take one side or the other...it can't be that wrong was done on both sides!  ;D 8)

 

[Thomas Cassidy]

Tom would you stop trying to be rational and use common sense...this demands that we take one side or the other...it can't be that wrong was done on both sides!  ;D 8)

Oh! Right! Silly me! I forgot, just for a moment, that this was the FFF! I thought, just for a moment, it was a rational discussion engaged in by rational people. My bad!

 

[T-Bone]

Tom would you stop trying to be rational and use common sense...this demands that we take one side or the other...it can't be that wrong was done on both sides!  ;D 8)

Oh! Right! Silly me! I forgot, just for a moment, that this was the FFF! I thought, just for a moment, it was a rational discussion engaged in by rational people. My bad!

 

[ALAYMAN]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-who-is-ben-fields/

Well, excessive force, or appropriate treatment of a delinquent?

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be the teen was acting like a thug and refusing to obey her teacher and an administrator, and the cop over-reacted and used too much force too soon?

Most in the thread have come to the similar conclusion, with the exception of Biker, that both parties were at fault.  Having said that, the more nuanced part of the conversation has been to examine if the Scriptures (proverbs) have any bearing on the treatment of incorrigible delinquents ("fools"), particularly as it relates to corporal punishment ("whip for the horse...rod for the back").

 

[ALAYMAN]

i have quite a few thoughts on this...... but i will try to express them as briefly as i am able...... 

for one ..... i don;t believe corporal punishment has any place in schools......(especially in the upper grades like high school and even middle school)...... i firmly believe going to school should be privilege for those who want to be there and have a desire to learn....... and a willingness to follow the rules should naturally go along with that desire to learn.......... .... if a student shows he or she has no desire to follow rules...... no real interest in learning.... and only wishes to do things the instructor finds disruptive to the class then that student should be expelled........ plain and simple...... without recourse....

now.... that being said..... and things being the way they are.... and were....... i can;t see how any part of the incident which occurred in that class room could be viewed as "punishment".... .... rather it was a very poorly executed attempt to remove a student in violation of rules that got way out of hand and turned violent....... ..... ...the foolish decision and actions of the student are what led to the necessity of having her removed from class...... but the violent throw down that resulted was due to the foolish decisions and actions of the police officer.......  and that part of it started when he allowed his ego and anger to over ride his common sense......... a classic attribute of fools which frequently precedes their downfall........

though i believe expulsion would have been far better... it appears the powers that be in north carolina are willing to let the student go with whatever physical pain she has already suffered serve as punishment enough for her own foolish actions........ but if that was just recompense for her then what should be done to the police officer for his part in the foolishness?........... is harsh physical corporal punishment indicated for him as well?........... how should it carried out?........... in another mma style throw down like what has already happened.... delivered by people bigger and stronger than he is while he attempts to fight back?...........or in a controlled and precise manner similar to the caning done to law breakers in singapore... and which the scriptural verses along this line seem to be prescribing?..........

anyway.... that;s enough for now...before i end up writing another novel.... 

Again, I have difficulty with taking exception to what you have written, given that the officer acted in a fit of rage and out of apparent indiscretion, it still remains that I wonder if our delicate sensibilities to corporal punishment properly exercised bias our reaction to the nature of crime and punishment.  Consider just one commentary (of many I found) regarding Proverbs 26:3...

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass. So the Vulgate: but the Chaldaic, Septuagint, Syriac, and Arabic translate, 'a spur for the ass.' The Hebrew ( meteg (Hebrew #4964)) commonly means a bridle; and though we should say ordinarily, 'A whip for the donkey; a bridle for the horse,' yet in the style of Proverbs one clause is to be supplied from the other, A whip and a bridle for the horse and the donkey. As they need at one time the whip, at another the bridle; so the "fool" needs "a rod for his back," to keep him from rushing into sinful folly. The ungodly are like "brute beasts" (Psalms 32:9; Jude 1:10; Proverbs 10:13; Proverbs 19:29). He who will not heed words must heed strokes.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

Except traffic laws. Those you should ignore then brag about on social media.

Apparently pastors get to pick and choose when to obey the law.

(I get the strong suspicion that had a black teenager been riding around with eight folks in a Civic, people would be cheering the police state for stopping the little hood rats, not brushing it off as "oh well".)

Do you understand the difference between an incorrigible delinquent and a silly mistake that may be repented of?  To conflate the two, again, shows why you should not handle the word of God in a teaching capacity.

 

[rsc2a]

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

Except traffic laws. Those you should ignore then brag about on social media.

Apparently pastors get to pick and choose when to obey the law.

(I get the strong suspicion that had a black teenager been riding around with eight folks in a Civic, people would be cheering the police state for stopping the little hood rats, not brushing it off as "oh well".)

Do you understand the difference between an incorrigible delinquent and a silly mistake that may be repented of?

It apparently is defined by whatever you say it is, because it's not based on the law. In fact, the one who should be held to the higher standard is the one you readily dismiss.

To conflate the two, again, shows why you should not handle the word of God in a teaching capacity.

To dismiss one while claiming the second deserves a beat down shows that you have a double standard and lack grace for "the least of these".

 

[ALAYMAN]

Though I essentially agree, what do you make of the possible relevance of wisdom literature Scriptures when they speak of correcting a fool with harsh physical corporal punishment?

Except traffic laws. Those you should ignore then brag about on social media.

Apparently pastors get to pick and choose when to obey the law.

(I get the strong suspicion that had a black teenager been riding around with eight folks in a Civic, people would be cheering the police state for stopping the little hood rats, not brushing it off as "oh well".)

Do you understand the difference between an incorrigible delinquent and a silly mistake that may be repented of?

It apparently is defined by whatever you say it is, because it's not based on the law. In fact, the one who should be held to the higher standard is the one you readily dismiss.

To conflate the two, again, shows why you should not handle the word of God in a teaching capacity.

To dismiss one while claiming the second deserves a beat down shows that you have a double standard and lack grace for "the least of these".

Yeah, the delinquent who was disobeying known classroom rules by using their cellphone during class, who ignored repeated requests/commands by the teacher to put it away, who then refused his command to leave the class and report to administration, who then ignored the command of another rightful and legitimate authority, who then refused law enforcement officers direct and lawful command to stand up.....


yeah, that's one of those Christ was referring to when he said "one of the least of these".  : 

Keep typing.  You prove that you are a novice daily.