BEWARE: Are You Encouraging Apostasy?

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HukNduck said:
I realize we don’t have the original manuscript, but I’m focusing on biblical lineage.

If you’re using anything except the KJV, then you’re tracing roots back to the Alexandrian texts from Egypt and North Africa (AD 300-400).

If you’re using the KJV, then you’ll fall under Textus Receptus (AD 450) and the traditional text. Of course the Catholics fall under the Latin Vulgate and Western Texts.
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So...they both are "preserved." They both proclaim the truth of the Gospel and people are being saved through their use....Who gives a rip where they came from....There are very few if any deviations when it comes to doctrine.
 
HukNduck said:
Hogwash. I’ve been affiliated with fundamentalism in some capacity my entire life. NOT ONCE have I ever heard anyone deny the Trinity.

Hogwash again! We can call any church a “cult,” and anyone who goes to any church a “cult member.” Those who identify as Methodist—cult! Those who identify as Presbyterian—cult! Those who identify as Lutheran—cult! See how easy that is?
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I think FSSL may have the Mormons in mind. They are definitely not trinitarian (among many other things). Also, many of the United Pentecostal (Jesus Only Apostolic) groups are modalist waterdog heretics who use the KJV exclusively.

KJVO in the flavor of Ruckmanism or Hyles is a bunch of nonsensical garbage and should be avoided like the plague. There are other groups that give priority to the Syriac-Byzantine line of manuscripts of which the Textus Receptus is primarily based and therefore give strong preference to the KJV and NKJV. There are many who fall into this camp including myself.

My thoughts are if you believe the King James Bible is the Word of God, ACT LIKE IT! Study it, memorize it, meditate upon it, and live your life according to what is written therein! I bet that if you do, you will not be spending a great bit of time boasting of your position, waving around your KJV, and calling NIV, NASB, and ESV users a bunch of pantywaist liberales who are headed for Hell!
 
AverageJoe said:
So...they both are "preserved." They both proclaim the truth of the Gospel and people are being saved through their use....Who gives a rip where they came from....There are very few if any deviations when it comes to doctrine.
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No Bible is required to lead someone to Christ. It does help, of course, because we want people not trusting our human words, but the Word of God, but if a Bible isn’t present in that moment, then use your memory.
 
FSSL said:
A wide variety. I am able to read Greek and Hebrew and enjoy working through those texts as well.
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You need to prove all things by Jesus Christ by trusting Him as your personal Good Shepherd in understanding His words as well as discerning which Bible did not love Him to keep the truth in His words. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-24 KJV
FSSL said:
I am not against Gods Word, at all!
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Good to hear, but I rely on Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd as wisdom comes from the Lord James 1:5-8 KJV and not by our intellect or from men teaching us. 1 John 2:27 KJV
FSSL said:
The KJVOs have plenty of false teachings and all they use is the KJV.
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Care to share at least one that you had encountered or had come across? Thanks.
 
ChristB4us said:
Now you are just spouting anti-KJV nonsense. Why not apply that to NIV or NASB or ESV? Who got saved before modern bibles?

Same as that nonsense about did Jesus speak in King James. Okay then did Jesus speak in modern English?

How about when we translate the Bible into other languages?

Kind of a self defeating argument and hypocritical judgment that is usually carried over by anti-KJVers without actually thinking about it.

You want it simple? Be direct and have substance for a discussion to progress on. So far it is just an argument on your part.

As for my post, making full proof of the ministry is required as those seeking the truth will appreciate the rightly dividing the word of truth since keeping the faith is the good fight.
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Bloviating out your bottom is your MO. I've dealt with your types and it's futile, as it would be try and push the KJVO hogwash down my throat again. I'm not an anti-KJV'er...I am KJV preferred...If you had read my posts, you'd know that...but, of course, you're just like all the other bloviating KJV worshippers. I worship Christ, not a translation.
 
AverageJoe said:
So true! I was a part of that "cult" once. These people are driving people AWAY from the kingdom of God instead of towards it with their deceptive message. I've heard them go as far as saying one couldn't really be saved unless they used a KJV....how stupid.
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Find it hard to believe that some one would say that as it is stupid. Care to cite a source? Even if it is not from your church, can you cite any one else saying that?
 
ChristB4us said:
Find it hard to believe that some one would say that as it is stupid. Care to cite a source? Even if it is not from your church, can you cite any one else saying that?
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Many of the Bible colleges state this, or at least espouse this position. Don't be obtuse.
 
HukNduck said:
I’m just sharing with you what God opened my eyes to. To not do so would be wrong.
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Seems strange that if it is the "absolute" in truth that the Holy Spirit would lead EVERYBODY to see it that way. . Strange that he doesn't.
 
AverageJoe said:
I've heard very few deny the Trinity...there are some who do, but 99% do not. And yes, we can call any church a cult...but, I believe the KJV ONLIES to be thoroughly brainwashed into believing that there is some kind of second inspiration, or that this has been "purified seven times" and other hogwash they like to try and pull. Doesn't cut it. It's a TRANSLATION/VERSION, and even the good translators admitted this in their prelude. I'm thankful at least for THEIR honesty. Don't forget, I'm KJV PREFERRED...I grew up with it, I use it in my teaching an preaching, and I love the translation because I grew up with it and know it well. But, I'm not against other translations that encourage people to live Godly Christian lives...Too bad they're always being attacked as heretics because they don't use the good ol' KJV> How sad.
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Believers that deny the Trinity are usually from the modern bible versions because the KJV has 1 John 5:7 testifying to the Three Witnesses in Heaven. Remember that?

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

You should have had a lot of fun with that one in correcting KJVOers that deny the Trinity.

As it is, because it is not in modern Bibles, they say the KJV is wrong and that it does not belong in the Book of 1 John even though I cite a link proving extrabiblical sources list it as originally scripture as far back as 200 A.D. IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?
 
ChristB4us said:
Believers that deny the Trinity are usually from the modern bible versions because the KJV has 1 John 5:7 testifying to the Three Witnesses in Heaven. Remember that?

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

You should have had a lot of fun with that one in correcting KJVOers that deny the Trinity.

As it is, because it is not in modern Bibles, they say the KJV is wrong and that it does not belong in the Book of 1 John even though I cite a link proving extrabiblical sources list it as originally scripture as far back as 200 A.D. IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?
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::rolling eyes::
 
AverageJoe said:
Seems strange that if it is the "absolute" in truth that the Holy Spirit would lead EVERYBODY to see it that way. . Strange that he doesn't.
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Joe - The issue is Major Doctrinal Errors. John 3:36

KJV - “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

NASV: “The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

If you’re not following the KJV here, you’re just a plain old Catholic wearing a Southern Baptist hat.
 
HukNduck said:
Joe - The issue is Major Doctrinal Errors. John 3:36


NASV: “The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

If you’re not following the KJV here, you’re just a plain old Catholic wearing a Southern Baptist hat.
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Laughable at best, Hukster! Laughable. And reading in context, the chapter does point to belief in Christ. So there's no doctrinal error. Sorry, I don't buy the argument. People like the cherry pick a few words or a verse instead of the whole chapter or book in context. Shameful.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
I think FSSL may have the Mormons in mind. They are definitely not trinitarian (among many other things). Also, many of the United Pentecostal (Jesus Only Apostolic) groups are modalist waterdog heretics who use the KJV exclusively.
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Isn't that Jesus Only movement based on the false notion that since the Son of God has left, the Holy Spirit replaced Jesus and thus is Jesus? I recalled something about how Matthew 28:19 KJV was being used to signify that because we are baptizing in the singular name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost and that name is Jesus as practiced in the Book of Acts, that Spirit is that Jesus for how they are to relate to God through. Not sure if it is related to them or some other form of Oneness Pentecostalism, but that Jesus Only thing was used in that false teaching.

I believe it was a Mormon that I had tried to use 1 John 5:7 about the 3 Witnesses in Heaven that he went to Bible NET after that. So it does not look to me that they really only rely on the KJV.
Baptist Renegade said:
KJVO in the flavor of Ruckmanism or Hyles is a bunch of nonsensical garbage and should be avoided like the plague. There are other groups that give priority to the Syriac-Byzantine line of manuscripts of which the Textus Receptus is primarily based and therefore give strong preference to the KJV and NKJV. There are many who fall into this camp including myself.
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NKJV is not the same as KJV. FYI. Example is by comparing 1 Corinthians 1:18 at this link 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV VS NKJV
Baptist Renegade said:
My thoughts are if you believe the King James Bible is the Word of God, ACT LIKE IT! Study it, memorize it, meditate upon it, and live your life according to what is written therein! I bet that if you do, you will not be spending a great bit of time boasting of your position, waving around your KJV, and calling NIV, NASB, and ESV users a bunch of pantywaist liberales who are headed for Hell!
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No saved but wayward believer is going to hell, but those astray can be found in iniquity for why they would be denied by Him Titus 1:16 KJV & get left behind Luke 13:24-30 KJV but He still abides in those left behind. 2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV
 
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