BEWARE: Are You Encouraging Apostasy?

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voicecrying said:
What translations say he speaks "from himself" and what do you think "from himself" means?
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The King James 21st Century Version has this; John 16:13 However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.

The American Standard Version has the same John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

Other Bible version in comparison with the KJV at this link ----> John 16:13 KJV & NIV & AMP & ESC & TLB in saying He cannot speak of Himself, He will not speak on His own, nor His own initiative, nor His own authority, nor presenting His own ideas.

As for what it means, the italics per the 2 examples above should answer that question as all Bible versions testify to this truth that the Holy Spirit cannot express Himself out loud anything from Himself, but speaks what He hears as God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people and not the Holy Spirit speaking back to God, not even in gibberish nonsense.
 
Ransom said:
When all you can do is keep pointing me to the same fundy Web page, you're just tacitly admitting that you're a gull who just believes what he reads on the Internet without giving it an ounce of critical thought.

Is there something of significance on that page that you want me to address? Summarize it here along with some quotations from primary sources. Otherwise, stop wasting my time.
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I still think this "person" is a bot and AI....
 
Ransom said:
You called me AverageJoe earlier, and now you called voicecrying Ransom.

You can't even keep who you're talking to straight, and you expect us to take your arguments seriously?
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I had quoted the poster and added another poster to the conversation, and as for the one of you, I did so in "tagging" you, thinking you may want to see that response to that poster.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I figured you'd have a Charleston accent, not British...
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BTW, speaking of Charleston accents (though technically I was raised just outside of Charleston, so they wouldn’t claim me as really being “one of them”).
 
HukNduck said:
Something does seem a bit “off.” I don’t know enough about bots to really know how well they can mimic a real person.
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For one, his answers are "too pat" and they come too quickly all ready and emphasized in certain portions of the post...Nobody is that good...I type nearly perfectly, with very few mistakes when using a typewriter or keyboard, but this is ridiculous.
 
Ransom said:
As I've said to a certain "Bible believer" on this forum many a time, "Is too!" is not an argument.

σῳζομένοις ("being saved") is in the present tense, same as ἀπολλυμένοις ("perishing"). Both of them are describing an action that is presently in progress.
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This is an example of the message getting lost in translation if you are using the NIV.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness(A) to those who are perishing,(B) but to us who are being saved(C) it is the power of God.(D).... 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world(A) through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save(B) those who believe.(C) NIV

So what does verse 21 says? Is God being pleased to save those that believe or is God was pleased as in past tense of what had happened, Him having saved those that believe?

I remember a "Greek" scholar making an argument that the KJV was saying the same thing by using "preaching" as that present participle for why it should be "are being saved". Not. The preaching of the cross is the subject matter and we are talking about the result of believing that preaching of the cross which results in what? Salvation as in justification; period.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV

The preaching of the cross is by in no way to be applied to the ongoing "sanctification process" of the believer in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ. This is why those that err, use that verse to imply an ongoing process of salvation thus inferring we are not saved yet.
 
AverageJoe said:
For one, his answers are "too pat" and they come too quickly all ready and emphasized in certain portions of the post...Nobody is that good...I type nearly perfectly, with very few mistakes when using a typewriter or keyboard, but this is ridiculous.
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I agree. Have there ever been suspected bots on this forum? I wonder if someone like Ransom would be able to tell a bot from a non-bot.
 
AverageJoe said:
I still think this "person" is a bot and AI....
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I agree that something is off. My first inclination is to ask our forum owner and moderator if they are messing around with AI to drum up business, lol.
 
HukNduck said:
BTW, speaking of Charleston accents (though technically I was raised just outside of Charleston, so they wouldn’t claim me as really being “one of them”).
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Wow, that was an education, lol.


I’ve always been fascinated by cultural and regional differences in dialect.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Wow, that was an education, lol.


I’ve always been fascinated by cultural and regional differences in dialect.
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It's the same way in Tennessee....some of the pronunciations here are terribly strange! :)
 
ALAYMAN said:
I agree that something is off. My first inclination is to ask our forum owner and moderator if they are messing around with AI to drum up business, lol.
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I recently read that something like half of online activities are now (or soon to be) bots. However, I wouldn’t think a bot could go through the registration process of signing up…but I’m also pretty ignorant about bots, so who knows.
 
ChristB4us said:
The King James 21st Century Version has this; John 16:13 However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.

The American Standard Version has the same John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

Other Bible version in comparison with the KJV at this link ----> John 16:13 KJV & NIV & AMP & ESC & TLB in saying He cannot speak of Himself, He will not speak on His own, nor His own initiative, nor His own authority, nor presenting His own ideas.

As for what it means, the italics per the 2 examples above should answer that question as all Bible versions testify to this truth that the Holy Spirit cannot express Himself out loud anything from Himself, but speaks what He hears as God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people and not the Holy Spirit speaking back to God, not even in gibberish nonsense.
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OK, now, what translations use "from himself" in Romans 8?
 
HukNduck said:
I recently read that something like half of online activities are now (or soon to be) bots. However, I wouldn’t think a bot could go through the registration process of signing up…but I’m also pretty ignorant about bots, so who knows.
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A lot has happened throughout the years on these forums and none of it has ran me off, obviously, but that would probably do it. Not here to talk to machines.
 
ChristB4us said:
This is an example of the message getting lost in translation if you are using the NIV.
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I wasn't using the NIV. In fact, I was commenting on the Greek verb tenses, not the rendition of any English version.

*knock knock* Are you even paying attention?

And while we're at it, the verb form translated "to save" in 1 Cor. 1:21 is the same verb as "being saved" in v. 18, but this time in the aorist infinitive, meaning it says nothing about whether the action is completed or not.
 
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voicecrying said:
OK, now, what translations use "from himself" in Romans 8?
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Depends on how you apply Romans 8:26-27 KJV to be the message about.

Some tongue users for private use have applied from some modern Bible versions that the Holy Spirit makes intercessions "directly" Himself with wordless groans or uttering some audio sound when doing so. This goes contrary to the truth in His words in that same modern bible version in John 16:13 wherein He cannot do that.

The KJV applied "itself" as being "indirectly" in how His intercessions are given because in verse 27 is about how this "he" that searches our hearts which is Jesus as the Word of God per Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV is this same "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit as it is by this "indirect route" is how the silent intercessions of the Spirit are known to the Father by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father which is also to the will of God because there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
 
HukNduck said:
Where did you receive your biblical training? Any particular Bible college or seminary?
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Liberty Home Study bible course but even there, the Lord Jesus Christ helped me to prove everything by Him as that KJV had footnotes and commentaries that were running against scriptures. There were some teachings that I did not agree with either like the worship of the Holy Ghost when the indwelling holy Ghost would not lead us to do that but to honor & glorify the Son and by Him, honor & glorify God the Father as led by the Spirit of God to do so as to avoid the spirits of the antichrist since Jesus Christ is called the Bridegroom after all.

So we need no one to teach us but confirm and prove everything by the "meat" of scriptures as kept in the KJV by those who loved Him to keep His words.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
 
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