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aleshanee said:
….what does being into softball... basketball... or any other physicially demanding sport have to do with a girl being lesbian?... ..what if they had been into rugby or wrestling?....... ... and if a boy is into soccer or tennis... or maybe doesn;t have the bone structure or killer instinct considered ideal for football - does that mean we should expect him to come out as gay?..... ..

many years ago i saw a long time.. and once respected ..forum member here - who had turned apostate... suggest that very thing... . in fact he insisted it was true - that somehow physical ability, body build.. and certain personal interests in a young person, that have absolutely nothing to do with committing a sin against God,... could be observed..assessed ..and used to predict sexually deviant behavior in the future as an adult ...

how can we hope to save children from this kind of perversity if we continue shoving them into pidgeon holes according to cultural biases - the same way the world does?....
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It was just a correlation, observation, and merely anecdotal. I could speculate and make plenty of connective observations, but that’s all it would be, is speculative observations. But I think it’s probably true that sport in that timeframe served as a venue for women and girls to express their (homo)sexuality more openly, as contrasted with the attitude in corresponding sports of their male counterparts. But I certainly wasn’t trying to pigeonhole anybody by relating those memories. The other observation that seemed to correlate to the percentage of openly gay females in sport was that they were typically the “Butch” type, or in other words, you usually didn’t see the excessively girly-girl type in this venue. Just my casual thoughts.🫤
 
Huk said:
Aleshanee - I’m not answering for Altayman, but just my own opinion. I think there’s a huge correlation between lesbians and certain sports. To deny this would be me being dishonest to myself. Candace Wiggins, an actual WNBA player, suggested the percentage was as high as 98% in the league, and she had endured bullying for not being a lesbian. https://nypost.com/2017/02/21/retired-wnba-star-i-was-tormented-for-not-being-gay/amp/.

I believe in softball, the percentage would be somewhat similar, and I found a few articles on that, but I won’t post those because they seem less well known publications. However, I will tell you that one of my best friends has been a high school softball coach for nearly thirty years (he’s about ten years older than me), and he’s told me that normally he might have only about two players on a team that aren’t leaning in the lesbian direction, or who don’t come out a few years later that way, perhaps in college or young adulthood.

In tennis, a few years ago a top-100 world tennis player said he knew of no male gay players, but there were so many female players he wouldn’t even let his daughter play tennis. https://www.outsports.com/platform/amp/2015/7/10/8931545/sergiy-stakhovsky-gay-tennis-lesbians

In golf, I’ll let you do your own research, but as someone who has attended actual LPGA tournaments in person as a spectator, I can assure you that the lesbian golf rumors aren’t just hyperbole.

All that being said, it doesn’t mean in many of these sports that there aren’t exceptions, because obviously there are some straight women involved in these sports, but it seems so rare that when it exists, it’s almost an anomaly.
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in truth... i know absolutely nothing about basketball.... and don;t know anybody of either gender who plays it - even for recreation.... .so i can;t speak for womens basketball..... it might very well be a bastion of militant lesbos just like candace wiggins suggests....

but as for softball..... .i know quite a bit.... and i know a lot of very skilled female softball players... both my sister and her best friend.. (who happens to be one of our room mates) - played softball in highschool.... and our room mate went on to play division 1 softball in college... ...neither of them are lesbian.. .. and they are not anomalies either. ....i know many other girls and young women that played for the university of hawaii.. plus a few that are on the current team now..... most of them are not lesbian either... in fact most of them are dating college football players....

i follow the division 1 college softball season every year ...we have subscriptions to the sports channels from several college teams... and we watch every game that is broadcast from a favorite team.. ... and sometimes watch games played at the same time on split screens... ... .. i don;t know how many girls on those mainland teams might be lesbian vrs those who are not.. ... i have no doubt many of them are... ...but i also know you can;t always tell by looking.... some you might expect to be are not... . and some of the really girly girl types you would never imagine as lesbian, actually are.... (and they are often married to the mega-dyke butch types people talk about - who could hunt grizzly bear with a stick)....

for me it has always been easier to tell by looking when the men are gay rather than the women.... . but then i never have to wonder about the women because they usually come right out and tell me if they are.....

do some research on some of the softball teams around the country.... and ones that are not in your local vicinity.... .it might be that where you live ..due to religious demographics..culture or whatever... that girls and young women are discouraged by their families from going into certain types of sports, and so the lesbos rule the field.... but it;s not that way everywhere... . and certainly not here in hawaii either...

one of my favorite teams happens to be LSU... and their pitcher for the past 4 years - who is considered one of the best in the game - is shelby sunseri.... she is an outspoken christian who has an awesome testimony... and will probably join the coaching staff of a team after graduation......

golf and tennis are almost as unfamiliar to me as basketball.... i know very little about either one... in highschool volleyball was much bigger among girls than those 2 sports... but i do remember that most of the boys in school who focused on those sports were either too afraid to go into the water... not big enough for football... and not japanese enough to play baseball... (sorry to put it that way... but it;s true)....
 
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aleshanee said:
in truth... i know absolutely nothing about basketball.... and don;t know anybody of either gender who plays it - even for recreation.... .so i can;t speak for womens basketball..... it might very well be a bastion of militant lesbos just like candace wiggins suggests....

but as for softball..... .i know quite a bit.... and i know a lot of very skilled female softball players... both my sister and her best friend.. (who happens to be one of our room mates) - played softball in highschool.... and our room mate went on to play division 1 softball in college... ...neither of them are lesbian.. .. and they are not anomalies either. ....i know many other girls and young women that played for the university of hawaii.. plus a few that are on the current team now..... most of them are not lesbian either... in fact most of them are dating college football players....

i follow the division 1 college softball season every year ...we have subscriptions to the sports channels from several college teams... and we watch every game that is broadcast from a favorite team.. ... and sometimes watch games played at the same time on split screens... ... .. i don;t know how many girls on those mainland teams might be lesbian vrs those who are not.. ... i have no doubt many of them are... ...but i also know you can;t always tell by looking.... some you might expect to be are not... . and some of the really girly girl types you would never imagine as lesbian, actually are.... (and they are often married to the mega-dyke butch types people talk about - who could hunt grizzly bear with a stick)....

for me it has always been easier to tell by looking when the men are gay rather than the women.... . but then i never have to wonder about the women because they usually come right out and tell me if they are.....

do some research on some of the softball teams around the country.... and ones that are not in your local vicinity.... .it might be that where you live ..due to religious demographics..culture or whatever... that girls and young women are discouraged by their families from going into certain types of sports, and so the lesbos rule the field.... but it;s not that way everywhere... . and certainly not here in hawaii either...

one of my favorite teams happens to be LSU... and their pitcher for the past 4 years - who is considered one of the best in the game - is shelby sunseri.... she is an outspoken christian who has an awesome testimony... and will probably join the coaching staff there after graduation......

golf and tennis are almost as unfamiliar to me as basketball.... i know very little about either one... in highschool volleyball was much bigger among girls than those 2 sports... but i do remember that most of the boys in school who focused on those sports were either too afraid to go into the water... not big enough for football... and not japanese enough to play baseball... (sorry to put it that way... but it;s true)....
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There probably is some regionalism involved with this subject. In my experience, certain sports attract certain types of people. For example, I’d expect nearly all NFL football players are non-gay, but I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of male figure skaters are gay. Certainly there are exceptions in both cases and there are straight figure skaters and gay football players.

In women’s sports, my assumption is that the vast majority of softball players (at least in the college level) are gay, but I’m betting that the vast majority of women in, say volleyball, are straight.
 
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It was just a correlation, observation, and merely anecdotal. I could speculate and make plenty of connective observations, but that’s all it would be, is speculative observations. But I think it’s probably true that sport in that timeframe served as a venue for women and girls to express their (homo)sexuality more openly, as contrasted with the attitude in corresponding sports of their male counterparts. But I certainly wasn’t trying to pigeonhole anybody by relating those memories. The other observation that seemed to correlate to the percentage of openly gay females in sport was that they were typically the “Butch” type, or in other words, you usually didn’t see the excessively girly-girl type in this venue. Just my casual thoughts.🫤
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can a female be strong and healthy with a respectable muscle structure and be good at sports... without being considered "butch" by fundamental baptists?..... are only the girly girl types to be accepted as normal or "straight"? .... .. we have had discussions like this on the fff for almost 20 years now and one thing never seems to change.... men of the fundamentalist mindset appear to have a hard time discerning the difference between strong.. well muscled and physically fit women who are not in any way lesbian.... and the ones i mentioned in my post to huk who really are "butch"... and who go out of their way to "appear" strong and muscled.....(even though some of them are nothing but fat pretending to be strong or muscled)... who cut their hair in short and repuslive looking styles and who the girly girl variety of lesbians swarm to for protection...

not all strong, healthy and well muscled females are lesbians..... in fact most of them are not.... (not counting the steroid freaks who nobody has been able to figure out..) ... the vast majority are simply women who want to be as physically fit as possible through natural means... who would like to avoid the osteoporosis issues the girly girl types usually encouter in later life.... and are not afriad to be seen lifting weights and playing rough sports with other women to accomplish it.....

like i was telling huk... it might be nothing but a regional phenomenon or just the culture of the east coast ..parts of the south and midwest itself that causes people to think of young women as not fit or acceptable for certain sports unless they are lesbian and thus not fit for anything family or church related..... i really don;t know for sure.... all i do know is that it;s not that way here where i live.... the general fff mindset toward women in sports would be considered very backward here..... but then i rmember back in those early days on the fff that quite a few forum members thought women had no place in a first responder job or in the military either......
 
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I realize it’s a negative stereotype, but I think most people (at least where I live) have this picture in mind when they think of women playing softball: 1673142687860.jpeg
 
Volleyball, on the other hand, brings quite a different stereotype to most men’s minds: 1673143034519.jpeg
 
Huk said:
There probably is some regionalism involved with this subject. In my experience, certain sports attract certain types of people. For example, I’d expect nearly all NFL football players are non-gay, but I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of male figure skaters are gay. Certainly there are exceptions in both cases and there are straight figure skaters and gay football players.

In women’s sports, my assumption is that the vast majority of softball players (at least in the college level) are gay, but I’m betting that the vast majority of women in, say volleyball, are straight.
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i use think that way about men in the marine corps too..... i thought there was no way any of those guys could be gay...... but after some of the displays i saw when all gay and lesbian members of the military were encouraged to come out in the open, i started to wonder if the marine corps hymn "halls of montezuma" was going to be changed to the pet shop boys song "liberation"... .... ..

granted... gays are not the majority among men in the marine corps.... but for a while there they were making the most noise... . .. and it might just be that in other womens sports like softball and basketball it;s the lesbo crowd that makes the most noise too...... ..especially in parts of the country where they feel there is more of a challenge or they think it;s a controversial issue......

i might have to agree with you about male figure skaters though... they are definitely gay... (j/k) ;).... sometimes i think that way about male soccer players too though... especially when they fall to the ground holding their knee - screaming and crying over the same kind of incidental contact that female soccer players bounce back up off the ground from, and keep on going....... ..i would have been embarassed just to be there and see it in person.... . you certainly don;t see that in rugby... not among the men or the womens teams.....
 
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aleshanee said:
i use think that way about men in the marine corps too..... i thought there was no way any of those guys could be gay...... but after some of the displays i saw when all gay and lesbian members of the military were encouraged to come out in the open, i started to wonder if the marine corps hymn "halls of montezuma" was going to be changed to the pet shop boys song "liberation"... .... ..

granted... gays are not the majority among men in the marine corps.... but for a while there they were making the most noise... . .. and it might just be that in other womens sports like softball and basketball it;s the lesbo crowd that makes the most noise too...... ..especially in parts of the country where they feel there is more of a challenge or they think it;s a controversial issue......

i might have to agree with you about male figure skaters though... they are definitely gay.... sometimes i think that way about male soccer players too... especially when they fall to the ground holding their knee - screaming and crying over the same kind of incidental contact that female soccer players bounce back up off the ground from, and keep on going....... ..i would have been embarassed just to be there and see it in person.... . you certainly don;t see that in rugby... not among the men or the womens teams.....
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As I said, there are always exceptions. Scott Hamilton is one of the greatest male figure skaters in history, and he happens to be straight, married with kids, and also a strong Christian: https://www.christianpost.com/news/how-olympic-gold-medalist-scott-hamilton-found-jesus.html
 
Huk said:
I realize it’s a negative stereotype, but I think most people (at least where I live) have this picture in mind when they think of women playing softball:
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lesbians don;t own softbal any more than gays in general own that symbol of the rainbow that winner of the john candy look alike contest in your picture is wearing on her wrist...... the rainbow was the sign of Gods covenent with noah... it belongs to christians.... ... and the only reason gays think they can claim it is that too many christians have willingly given it up and refuse to take it back......

it;s the same with softball and other rough sports that girls can benefit from both mentally and physically.... . it only belongs to gays and deviants if those of the normal and healthy mindset give it up to them and refuse to take part in it.......

and by the way..... change the hair color of that girl in your volleyball picture to dark brown..... change the gym shorts to a softball uniform... and that could look very similar to my room mate and sisters best friend who was a stand out in college softball..... except my room mates arms are a little thicker....
 
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Huk said:
As I said, there are always exceptions. Scott Hamilton is one of the greatest male figure skaters in history, and he happens to be straight, married with kids, and also a strong Christian: https://www.christianpost.com/news/how-olympic-gold-medalist-scott-hamilton-found-jesus.html
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scott hamilton is straight?....😲 ..i would have never imagined that.... ... but then i have never been a follower of figure skating either... .. we did watch it as kids a few times though, when it was on tv in the olympics.... we use to chant "trip and fall.. trip and fall"... as they went through their routine.....until they actually did fall.... and then we rolled on the floor and laughed hysterically... ... ..ice hocky was the only sport we watched where skates were involved.... and then my siblings all played roller hockey when it first started here in hawaii.... yeah.. we were kinda mean in some ways.... ...ok....maybe in many ways.... 😏....
 
Huk said:
As I said, there are always exceptions.
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More than you'd expect, probably. It's a common stereotype that stage actors are gay; as it happens, there aren't really more gay actors per capita than the general population.

A kid who grew up in my parents' church was a figure skater. By the time he was in university, he was competing at the national level. Now he's married to a pretty girl.

My sister was a bit of a tomboy and into athletics in her teens, and then she earned an engineering degree. Meanwhile, I got an English degree, and everyone assumed I wanted to be a schoolteacher. I don't dislike sports, but given the choice between basketball and reading, I'd rather sit on the bench and read Jane Austen. Nowadays, we'd both have weirdos trying to convince us we were trans.
 
Ransom said:
Nowadays, we'd both have weirdos trying to convince us we were trans.
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That's just the problem. These perverted activists are so eager to promote their agenda they go to the children and try convince them of their trans nature.

Children are naturally desirous of praise and affirmation from adults. So, when a child finds such praise and affirmation from these perverts, of course, they're going to gravitate toward the source of affirmation.

Another problem is with LAWS prohibiting people from discouraging children from leaning toward a trans lifestyle. As we're seeing, kids are being forced into being trans by parents.

God help our society.
 
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More than you'd expect, probably. It's a common stereotype that stage actors are gay; as it happens, there aren't really more gay actors per capita than the general population.

A kid who grew up in my parents' church was a figure skater. By the time he was in university, he was competing at the national level. Now he's married to a pretty girl.

My sister was a bit of a tomboy and into athletics in her teens, and then she earned an engineering degree. Meanwhile, I got an English degree, and everyone assumed I wanted to be a schoolteacher. I don't dislike sports, but given the choice between basketball and reading, I'd rather sit on the bench and read Jane Austen. Nowadays, we'd both have weirdos trying to convince us we were trans.
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that;s pretty awesome.... it;s further proof how a young persons future can;t be determined by what their current interests or activities are... and especially not by appearance or the opinions of others....... ..

i was adopted into a very athletically inclined family... but i had no physical coordination or athletic ability at all when i was young....people that knew me then would have never believed i would be doing the things i do today.... ...but then all through my teenage years i was still recovering from surgeries i had at age nine.... and what i did to myself at 13 didn;t help my hands or arms work any better either.. .(i still have problems caused by that all these years later)......

by contrast i did very well in school academically as a teenager, and was considered the brainiac that was going to become a doctor... . but that didn;t happen at all.. even though i had plenty of people helping to push me in that direction.... ... instead it was my super athlete sister who went on to earn a phd in psychology... ..

and after i did all i could do in school - (which turned out to not be enough) - failed to qualify for medical school - i gave up on academics and began to focus on becoming stronger and getting more physically active both in the water and the field....getting into things like archery and distance bike riding.... .. .

becoming a bowhunter was something nobody saw coming... not even me.... i didn;t know i would be good at it or that i would even like it, until i got out there and into the jungle with a bow..... when i first started it some people thought that due to the things that happened in my past, i would never be able to handle hunting or any of the things that go with it.... ..they were very wrong......
 
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abcaines said:
That's just the problem. These perverted activists are so eager to promote their agenda they go to the children and try convince them of their trans nature.

Children are naturally desirous of praise and affirmation from adults. So, when a child finds such praise and affirmation from these perverts, of course, they're going to gravitate toward the source of affirmation.

Another problem is with LAWS prohibiting people from discouraging children from leaning toward a trans lifestyle. As we're seeing, kids are being forced into being trans by parents.

God help our society.
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i agree.... they are literally trying to play god in the lives of children that don;t even belong to them.... .. and ruining the lives of those children in the process..... .shaming and guilt tripping parents to go along with their ideology... .threatening severe retribution if they refuse..... .... but then that;s what happens when people reject God or attempt to deny His existence.... they end up trying to make themselves a god... and not only of themselves but of everyone else as well......
 
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aleshanee said:
can a female be strong and healthy with a respectable muscle structure and be good at sports... without being considered "butch" by fundamental baptists?..... are only the girly girl types to be accepted as normal or "straight"? .... .. we have had discussions like this on the fff for almost 20 years now and one thing never seems to change.... men of the fundamentalist mindset appear to have a hard time discerning the difference between strong.. well muscled and physically fit women who are not in any way lesbian.... and the ones i mentioned in my post to huk who really are "butch"... and who go out of their way to "appear" strong and muscled.....(even though some of them are nothing but fat pretending to be strong or muscled)... who cut their hair in short and repuslive looking styles and who the girly girl variety of lesbians swarm to for protection...

not all strong, healthy and well muscled females are lesbians..... in fact most of them are not.... (not counting the steroid freaks who nobody has been able to figure out..) ... the vast majority are simply women who want to be as physically fit as possible through natural means... who would like to avoid the osteoporosis issues the girly girl types usually encouter in later life.... and are not afriad to be seen lifting weights and playing rough sports with other women to accomplish it.....

like i was telling huk... it might be nothing but a regional phenomenon or just the culture of the east coast ..parts of the south and midwest itself that causes people to think of young women as not fit or acceptable for certain sports unless they are lesbian and thus not fit for anything family or church related..... i really don;t know for sure.... all i do know is that it;s not that way here where i live.... the general fff mindset toward women in sports would be considered very backward here..... but then i rmember back in those early days on the fff that quite a few forum members thought women had no place in a first responder job or in the military either......
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Most of the attitudes that I am reflecting are memories of my high school years and those opinions were pretty well established and held in my male friends/acquaintances at that time, none of which were fundamental Baptists, or even any kind of Christians at all. Where I think that you are accurate in assessing the attitudes of conservative Christians towards females in sports, then, as well as now to some extent, is that traditional and patriarchal views of cultural norms would be less favorable to certain forms of athletic endeavors by females. But I think the issue of females and their sports participation is a separate metric for consideration from the disproportionate number of lesbians in sports compared to male homosexuality acceptance in sport.
 
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