My cousin called me this morning and said when he was in chapel at Hyles-Anderson, Wendell Evans said, "The world would have been better off if Billy Graham had never been born since he was a compromiser." How does a human being get that stupid and off base with the gospel?
Billy Graham and a quote from Wendell Evans.............
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Chapel hasn't started yet at HAC........
If this is something Dr. Evans said in the past, it wouldn't surprise me. Many well known preachers were routinely criticized for the things we disagreed with. However, a single line doesn't tell the story of how Dr. Evan's felt about Billy Graham. I have certainly heard Dr. Eveans speak highly of him as well.
When I was a student, Billy Graham was appreciated for his good and admonished for his compromise...as should everyone be.
If this is something Dr. Evans said in the past, it wouldn't surprise me. Many well known preachers were routinely criticized for the things we disagreed with. However, a single line doesn't tell the story of how Dr. Evan's felt about Billy Graham. I have certainly heard Dr. Eveans speak highly of him as well.
When I was a student, Billy Graham was appreciated for his good and admonished for his compromise...as should everyone be.
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Twisted, which of the 2 men in the OP have you never heard of? 
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Tarheel Baptist said:Twisted, which of the 2 men in the OP have you never heard of?
LOL!
Please post more about Don Boys!
I saw Billy Graham in San Diego in 1976.
It was at the then baseball stadium. Full house. Packed.
What I remember more than anything is how Billy got out of there without anyone noticing (except me of course).
The platform was set up on the infield. Billy wore a long beige overcoat. During the invitation, with "heads bowed and eyes closed", he gave his coat to another staff member who stayed on the platform. Billy walked out the back of the filed with escort and everyone thought he was still on the platform. Slick.
Isn't that Evans fellow the song leader for chapel?
I had to confirm this and I was told that he was praised from chapel today.
OP full of lies.
OP full of lies.
Escapee said:
80s as in like almost 40 years ago? Can you tell something more relevant to today? *yawn* boring
Hi.....I was there
Billy Graham was always looked at as a "sad" story. He was such a fervent evangelist and everyone acknowledged the multitudes that got saved under his preaching. However, his compromises (DC Talk, no fire in hell, ect...) caused many people to reluctantly turn on him. They wanted to like him, but the "fundie" in them often won out. Sure, some were extremely rude and harsh, but many still had a "soft spot" for him.
Billy Graham was always looked at as a "sad" story. He was such a fervent evangelist and everyone acknowledged the multitudes that got saved under his preaching. However, his compromises (DC Talk, no fire in hell, ect...) caused many people to reluctantly turn on him. They wanted to like him, but the "fundie" in them often won out. Sure, some were extremely rude and harsh, but many still had a "soft spot" for him.
cpizzle said:Hi.....I was there
Billy Graham was always looked at as a "sad" story. He was such a fervent evangelist and everyone acknowledged the multitudes that got saved under his preaching. However, his compromises (DC Talk, no fire in hell, ect...) caused many people to reluctantly turn on him. They wanted to like him, but the "fundie" in them often won out. Sure, some were extremely rude and harsh, but many still had a "soft spot" for him.
Yeah but this is 2018, almost all the fundies are praising him right now.
cpizzle said:Hi.....I was there
Billy Graham was always looked at as a "sad" story. He was such a fervent evangelist and everyone acknowledged the multitudes that got saved under his preaching. However, his compromises (DC Talk, no fire in hell, ect...) caused many people to reluctantly turn on him. They wanted to like him, but the "fundie" in them often won out. Sure, some were extremely rude and harsh, but many still had a "soft spot" for him.
One can appreciate the good that came from a man's ministry and still be critical of the wrong things he has done.
There seems little doubt that multitudes truly came to Jesus Christ under his ministry, and for that, we can rejoice. However, he certainly compromised the truth to gain a wider audience. Those who criticized him have a correct list of BG's errors.
I don't think, however, that the OP (if it's true) is a good thing to say about anyone. I haven't hard any fundamental preachers who were rude about him.
Graham had a lot of influence. Three key staff members that I know of why I was at HAC conversions were greatly influence by watching Graham on TV
Jim Vineyard-Saw Graham on TV in a hotel room in Moline, Illinois and was saved. His wife was already saved.
Johnny Pope-Family watched Graham on TV when Pope was young and Dad led him to Lord afterwards.
Ray Young-Saved after watching Graham on TV.
I hope I have all the facts correct but it is the best I remember them from the 70s.
Jim Vineyard-Saw Graham on TV in a hotel room in Moline, Illinois and was saved. His wife was already saved.
Johnny Pope-Family watched Graham on TV when Pope was young and Dad led him to Lord afterwards.
Ray Young-Saved after watching Graham on TV.
I hope I have all the facts correct but it is the best I remember them from the 70s.
TheRealJonStewart said:
Which makes me wonder if they will soften toward Franklin.
FSSL said:
Franklin is very involved in Republican politics.....they love him!
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I agree that most IFB attitudes about Billy Graham have softened.
For that matter, most IFB attitudes about women wearing pants have softened.
From my perspective it seems that pragmatism was the reason for this, as facts and Scripture have not changed. This simply goes to the fact that the extreme right of the IFB movement was always a subset of Fundamentalism but in the 60?s it was much larger than it is today.
The fact that Billy Graham and to a lesser extent Jerry Falwell was criticized while Jack Hyles was exalted gives those outside of the movement pause. Hyles was at worst an immoral man, unfaithful to his wife. At best, he was one who tolerated an environment that allowed immorality and corruption to flourish.
And, he?s the hero!?
For that matter, most IFB attitudes about women wearing pants have softened.
From my perspective it seems that pragmatism was the reason for this, as facts and Scripture have not changed. This simply goes to the fact that the extreme right of the IFB movement was always a subset of Fundamentalism but in the 60?s it was much larger than it is today.
The fact that Billy Graham and to a lesser extent Jerry Falwell was criticized while Jack Hyles was exalted gives those outside of the movement pause. Hyles was at worst an immoral man, unfaithful to his wife. At best, he was one who tolerated an environment that allowed immorality and corruption to flourish.
And, he?s the hero!?
Yes.
I believe that the Bible College movement has had a negative effect on IFBism in relation to Billy Graham.
It's this demagoguery (and "BoJo" following) that has caused a real problem in IFBdom. I don't lay all blame on Bob Jones. I am simply noting that they are responsible for influencing IFBdom to a greater degree than most.
Did Billy have his theological problems? Sure! Did Bob Jones? Sure! Whereas Billy took a soft-line approach with Catholics, Bob Jones wrapped their arms around the treacherous, baby-baptizing Presby (Ian Paisley!).
So... unfortunately, IFB churches, gaining their leadership from these IFB schools, have swallowed way too much negativity. It has done great harm to the Body of Christ.
I believe that the Bible College movement has had a negative effect on IFBism in relation to Billy Graham.
- Standards were developed to develop a consistent "god-approved" appearance.
- Standards and associations were developed to maintain the donations from supporting churches. Schools, depending on students from around the country, could not offend anyone, so the extreme positions won out.
- Bob Jones took a solid stance against Billy Graham and then John MacArthur, so all of their sister colleges and related ones followed suit. Bob Jones, Jr in 1966 said, " "[Billy Graham was] doing more harm to the cause of Jesus Christ than any living man."
It's this demagoguery (and "BoJo" following) that has caused a real problem in IFBdom. I don't lay all blame on Bob Jones. I am simply noting that they are responsible for influencing IFBdom to a greater degree than most.
Did Billy have his theological problems? Sure! Did Bob Jones? Sure! Whereas Billy took a soft-line approach with Catholics, Bob Jones wrapped their arms around the treacherous, baby-baptizing Presby (Ian Paisley!).
So... unfortunately, IFB churches, gaining their leadership from these IFB schools, have swallowed way too much negativity. It has done great harm to the Body of Christ.
It was obvious Bob Jones was just jealous of the mass crowds Graham was getting. MacArthur, I don't even know why. The current IFB leaders are more gracious towards Graham's passing, some even praising him on their blogs, etc. Rice supported Graham all the way until 1957.
TheRealJonStewart said:
Per John R Rice's biography (auto-biography?), separating from BG was one of the hardest things he did. Somewhere (here?) I read that everyone else had separated, but JRR was still friends with BG and supporting him.