Black Lives Matter, the churches fault?

[Recovering IFB]

This Reformed elder who is popular in Reformed circles, made this comment on Facebook. I know that BLM has been a popular subject as of late made this comment; I'll comment later, my lunch break is almost up


"By far the biggest reason the equality movements have succeeded on godless terms is because the church refused to address the issues biblically, and instead tried to recapitulate conservative rationalism a la Burke. And it is still trying to do it today. Instead of a biblical solution to race relations through the church, we call for greater police state. We're going to get it, good and hard before long."

 

[subllibrm]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

 

[biscuit1953]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

I'm not at all surprised at your support of such an argument since you refer to Americans as "Americ**ts.  The Biblical solution is to have one standard of behavior in a civil society regardless of race.  The simple truth is Black Lives Matter is a bunch of agitators who have received millions of dollars by left wing groups that hate America like George Soros and  wish to bring about the end of sovereign nations by destroying their borders.  Allen West has pointed out the following on his website:

The BLM crowd are nothing more than pawns being used by radical leftists to further press their agenda down on the American people.  Hacked emails confirm billionaire leftist donor George Soros gave large sums to fuel the BLM ?movement,? and now this:

The Washington Times is reporting, For all its talk of being a street uprising, Black Lives Matter is increasingly awash in cash, raking in pledges of more than $100 million from liberal foundations and others eager to contribute to what has become the grant-making cause du jour.

The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy recently announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund [BLMF], a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition.

That funding comes in addition to more than $33 million in grants to the Black Lives Matter movement from top Democratic Party donor George Soros through his Open Society Foundations, as well as grant-making from the Center for American Progress.

Released Aug. 1, the platform also calls for defunding police departments, race-based reparations, breaking, voting rights for illegal immigrants, fossil-fuel divestment, an end to private education and charter schools, a ?universal basic income,? and free college for blacks.
http://www.allenbwest.com/michaelcantrell/black-lives-matter-set-receive-frightening

 

[FSSL]

Too many like to blame the church for society's evils. Society is already evil and the church must fight against a problem that has and will always continue to be bigger than it.

The exacerbation of racial tension lies squarely on the shoulders of this administration.

I worked in the Milwaukee Rescue Mission in that area. There is a lot of great work that has been done. It just took a few people in social media and CNNs doctored video to inflame the community.

 

[subllibrm]

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...  since you refer to Americans as "Americ**ts.

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What are you talking about?

 

[biscuit1953]

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...  since you refer to Americans as "Americ**ts.

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What are you talking about?

Aren't you the one who referred to Americans in Germany as that?  If not I'll apologize but for the rest of the post I stand by.

 

[Twisted]

I believe the Bible does speak to this issue.

Somewhere in there it says if you're a slave work hard for your master and if you're a master don't beat your slaves.  (BTW, I spoke to that at a prison chapel service which was 90% Black.  They didn't like it.  Oh...yeah, there was a reason.)

Beyond that, the Bible does speak to all social ills by simply saying that your heart is wicked and needs redemption.  I believe that pretty much covers everything.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

This Reformed elder who is popular in Reformed circles, made this comment on Facebook. I know that BLM has been a popular subject as of late made this comment; I'll comment later, my lunch break is almost up


"By far the biggest reason the equality movements have succeeded on godless terms is because the church refused to address the issues biblically, and instead tried to recapitulate conservative rationalism a la Burke. And it is still trying to do it today. Instead of a biblical solution to race relations through the church, we call for greater police state. We're going to get it, good and hard before long."

That's Christian PC double talk.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

 

[Recovering IFB]

Too many like to blame the church for society's evils. Society is already evil and the church must fight against a problem that has and will always continue to be bigger than it.

The exacerbation of racial tension lies squarely on the shoulders of this administration.

I worked in the Milwaukee Rescue Mission in that area. There is a lot of great work that has been done. It just took a few people in social media and CNNs doctored video to inflame the community.

But, has the church stepped aside and allowed the government to do the things that the church should be doing? Feeding the homeless? Caring for our own neighborhoods and allowing the police to do it?( there was no standing police force before 1870's) caring for the orphans and widows? This has  meant beurocracy take over this?
One of the definitions of culture is "the attitudes and behavior characteristic of a particular social group." where do people get such influences? If they get it from them selves, we see what happens.
I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have come to this conclusion. I beleive that eschatology effects our outlook on life. If you have an attitude of the Earth is going to hell in a handbasket, that would cause us, as believers, to withdraw from society. I seen it in my old fundamental circles. There is not given any chance at hope at all.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

I beleive the churches fault for not speaking out against it, taking a stand for the treatment of blacks in society. I think it's called loving  our neighbor.

 

[subllibrm]

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...  since you refer to Americans as "Americ**ts.

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What are you talking about?

Aren't you the one who referred to Americans in Germany as that?  If not I'll apologize but for the rest of the post I stand by.

Not Me.

 

[subllibrm]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

No I believe the church has pretty much abdicated her role to the government and is now trying to drive the decision making through politics.

A friend recently was lamenting that the church has "no voice" in social affairs. My thought is that we gave up the responsibility of being "the voice".

 

[FSSL]

Posted in wrong thread and moved here:

I had a class of over 70 seventh graders in my sunday school class at the Milwaukee Rescue Mission back in 1984. The gospel has certainly gone out into those neighborhoods. Our 66 passenger bus filled up rapidly in the very same neighborhoods that are out of control today.

I agree that the gospel is the key... but remember, narrow is the way. Few will actually repent and make Christ Lord of their lives.

I don't blame the church... We live in a wicked society.

If any are to blame... it would be those who could not vote for a Mormon.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Recovery:
I beleive the churches fault for not speaking out against it, taking a stand for the treatment of blacks in society. I think it's called loving  our neighbor.

I am not, do not and have not promoted that the gubmit be responsible to correct so called "social injustice".

My problem with liberal socialist Democrat gubmit policies is that they expand the problem and create a self perpetuating dependent class. On the other hand, gubmit does have a legitimate role to play in solving social problems, but a small one.

Do you personally serve ...regularly...the poor and 'downtrodden?
Not just a box at thanksgiving or a book bag in August, but ongoing (weekly) service with a goal of helping them up and not just handing out to them?

As to the problem of blacks and the police, there are 2 sides of the coin...but overwhelmingly Police are just there to protect the citizenry...from their neighbors. And while there certainly are aggravating circumstances, it is not arguable but that black males do commit a disproportionate percentage of crimes in the US. Liberal do good ers blame society and the police while conservative hardliners blame the lazy do nothing attitude of the victims. The truth is that there is truth on both sides of the divide, but liberal so called solutions have exacerbated the problem exponentially

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

No I believe the church has pretty much abdicated her role to the government and is now trying to drive the decision making through politics.

A friend recently was lamenting that the church has "no voice" in social affairs. My thought is that we gave up the responsibility of being "the voice".

I don't think your assertion is true...it's just an oft used criticism.

You can't swing a dead cat in our community without hitting a church group doing 'social work'. You can't find a school in our system that hasn't been 'adopted' by numerous churches.

Perhaps in the 60's-late 90's many fundamental churches (wrongly) ceded that territory to liberal mainline churches, but is not true now.

Even strong 'legalistic' IFB churches are getting on the social justice train down here...and I assume in more urban areas it would be more pronounced.

One of the reasons I am a cultural conservative is because of what we have seen/heard/learned by working with the poor and disadvantaged in our county.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Bump.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

No I believe the church has pretty much abdicated her role to the government and is now trying to drive the decision making through politics.

A friend recently was lamenting that the church has "no voice" in social affairs. My thought is that we gave up the responsibility of being "the voice".

I don't think your assertion is true...it's just an oft used criticism.

You can't swing a dead cat in our

One of the reasons I am a cultural conservative is because of what we have seen/heard/learned by working with the poor and disadvantaged in our county.

Why a cultural conservative? Why not just do what the Lord has commanded us?

 

[Recovering IFB]

Recovery:
I beleive the churches fault for not speaking out against it, taking a stand for the treatment of blacks in society. I think it's called loving  our neighbor.

I am not, do not and have not promoted that the gubmit be responsible to correct so called "social injustice".

My problem with liberal socialist Democrat gubmit policies is that they expand the problem and create a self perpetuating dependent class. On the other hand, gubmit does have a legitimate role to play in solving social problems, but a small one.

Do you personally serve ...regularly...the poor and 'downtrodden?
Not just a box at thanksgiving or a book bag in August, but ongoing (weekly) service with a goal of helping them up and not just handing out to them?

As to the problem of blacks and the police, there are 2 sides of the coin...but overwhelmingly Police are just there to protect the citizenry...from their neighbors. And while there certainly are aggravating circumstances, it is not arguable but that black males do commit a disproportionate percentage of crimes in the US. Liberal do good ers blame society and the police while conservative hardliners blame the lazy do nothing attitude of the victims. The truth is that there is truth on both sides of the divide, but liberal so called solutions have exacerbated the problem exponentially

I have served in many areas regarding outreach in disadvantage areas, and I remember you in the past told me that your ministry does food pantries to help out the needy, I tip my hat to you sir.
My point being, that if we look to a sinful world(i.e.; Democrat or Republican) to bring about changes to our society, we will be sorely disappointed. The world offers no hope at all, but the Gospel answers everything. As the church, we have the answer for our societal ills.
We can sit here and blames the Democrats or te liberals but the real enemy is sin. And we as the church have are going to have to get our hands dirty to start working again and stand up for things that are not right. And pry of that is the treatment of the AA community. And not only that, but the treatment of most minorities in our country, wether here legally or not.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Pretty much. But remember,  it is hard to go with Jesus' talking points when you have a mouth full of Republican talking points.  8)

So you believe racism is "pretty much" the fault of the church?

No I believe the church has pretty much abdicated her role to the government and is now trying to drive the decision making through politics.

A friend recently was lamenting that the church has "no voice" in social affairs. My thought is that we gave up the responsibility of being "the voice".

I don't think your assertion is true...it's just an oft used criticism.

You can't swing a dead cat in our

One of the reasons I am a cultural conservative is because of what we have seen/heard/learned by working with the poor and disadvantaged in our county.

Why a cultural conservative? Why not just do what the Lord has commanded us?

I am a cultural conservative by technical definition.
I believe in not sanctioning killing babies in the womb.
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman and that I should be able to practice my belief system in daily life without government telling me otherwise.
I believe in helping the poor and downtrodden by helping them to help themselves and strengthening their family units...not making them perpetually dependent and passing legislation that in essence hurts their families.

I am in the section 8 housing developments every week.....and have seen personally how liberalism has devastated the poor, especially the black families. We provide help to them...not merely hand outs. And not just once or twice a year, but every week, sometimes every day as in our summer lunch program.

My experience is that the neo-contemporary church movement simply spouts liberal drivel platitudes, offers a thanksgiving or Christmas basket, a book bag and then rails against those who oppose government sanctioned destruction of the AA family. These do-gooders seldom actually put THEIR money or time where their collective mouth's are.....