Can I make Jesus Lord?

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I have been hearing about "Lordship Salvation" for decades and had hoped it had run its course. Then, a few weeks ago, I hear an evangelist (during the altar call) ask those who have raised their hand as being saved if they have made Jesus Lord. I thought, really? Can my mortal and sinful self confer Lordship on the Creator of the Universe? I can't find that in my KJV Bible. My Bible says that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings without me doing anything! He is my Savior because I threw myself on His mercy, but He is Lord regardless of anything that I do.
Can we stop this nonsense please?
 
I have been hearing about "Lordship Salvation" for decades and had hoped it had run its course. Then, a few weeks ago, I hear an evangelist (during the altar call) ask those who have raised their hand as being saved if they have made Jesus Lord. I thought, really? Can my mortal and sinful self confer Lordship on the Creator of the Universe? I can't find that in my KJV Bible. My Bible says that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings without me doing anything! He is my Savior because I threw myself on His mercy, but He is Lord regardless of anything that I do.
Can we stop this nonsense please?
If I introduced you to my boss then told you how he tells me what time to show up, what things I had to accomplish, and needed his permission to take a day off but I just ignore him and do what I feel like and show up when and if I want to you would question whether I really consider him to be my boss.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
 
I have been hearing about "Lordship Salvation" for decades and had hoped it had run its course. Then, a few weeks ago, I hear an evangelist (during the altar call) ask those who have raised their hand as being saved if they have made Jesus Lord. I thought, really? Can my mortal and sinful self confer Lordship on the Creator of the Universe? I can't find that in my KJV Bible. My Bible says that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings without me doing anything! He is my Savior because I threw myself on His mercy, but He is Lord regardless of anything that I do.
Can we stop this nonsense please?

That is right. Jesus IS Lord, whether we confess Him or not. He is the Lord of all, but not the Father of all.

I would go further and say that my heavenly sonship is as much in my power as was my earthly sonship.
 
If I introduced you to my boss then told you how he tells me what time to show up, what things I had to accomplish, and needed his permission to take a day off but I just ignore him and do what I feel like and show up when and if I want to you would question whether I really consider him to be my boss.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Wow really bad analogy, but you are making my point. The "boss" in your scenario was the boss before you worked for him and will be the boss after you are gone. You did not make him the "boss" as that is what he already was. Jesus is Lord of all regardless of my relationship with Him. I cannot make Him what He already is. This is a relationship that I will always come up short on, but I will continue to do my best with His help. IFB preachers always want to add something "they" can do to make themselves appear more holy and better than others, (Pharisee) but, in doing so, try to lessen the work and sacrifice of Jesus. That is why I am FundNoMore.
 
Wow really bad analogy, but you are making my point. The "boss" in your scenario was the boss before you worked for him and will be the boss after you are gone. You did not make him the "boss" as that is what he already was. Jesus is Lord of all regardless of my relationship with Him. I cannot make Him what He already is. This is a relationship that I will always come up short on, but I will continue to do my best with His help. IFB preachers always want to add something "they" can do to make themselves appear more holy and better than others, (Pharisee) but, in doing so, try to lessen the work and sacrifice of Jesus. That is why I am FundNoMore.
I think you misunderstand Lordship Salvation if you believe because an individual refuses to make Him Lord of their life He suddenly ceases to be deity anymore. He does in a practical sense cease to be Lord of that individuals life. In other words they live for the things of this world (idolatry) rather than for the true God.
 
I know what you are saying, but that is what brings up the confusion. "If He is not Lord of all, He is not Lord at all." Jesus is Lord, regardless of what is going on in my life. There have been times in my life that I have turned my back on church and the things of God, but I was still His. He was not Lord of my life (better said as I was not doing those things that would please Him) at those times, but he was still Lord and still my savior. IFB (and others) like to keep adding things to salvation for whatever reason, but Jesus paid it all, not just part of it, and nothing I do can add to that salvation or, thank God, take away from it. I don't think those that promote Lordship Salvation, understand salvation.
 
I know what you are saying, but that is what brings up the confusion. "If He is not Lord of all, He is not Lord at all." Jesus is Lord, regardless of what is going on in my life. There have been times in my life that I have turned my back on church and the things of God, but I was still His. He was not Lord of my life (better said as I was not doing those things that would please Him) at those times, but he was still Lord and still my savior. IFB (and others) like to keep adding things to salvation for whatever reason, but Jesus paid it all, not just part of it, and nothing I do can add to that salvation or, thank God, take away from it. I don't think those that promote Lordship Salvation, understand salvation.
You are exactly right Jesus paid it all. But this grace is not automatically bestowed upon all-it is conditional. It's for the followers of Christ, not the unrepentant sinner who repeated a few words some stranger who knocked at his door asked him to repeat. Jesus Himself cautioned of counting the cost of being His follower. Certainly you can have periods of doubt and perhaps even give up for a short time. But if a life isn't marked by at least attempting to follow Christ the question would be whether the person was ever regenerated to begin with. There is no such thing as a non-following follower.
Interestingly your experience has been with IFBs embracing Lordship salvation, my experience was the opposite-the IFB churches I was a part of leaned much heavier toward easy believism.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
 
You are exactly right Jesus paid it all. But this grace is not automatically bestowed upon all-it is conditional. It's for the followers of Christ, not the unrepentant sinner who repeated a few words some stranger who knocked at his door asked him to repeat. Jesus Himself cautioned of counting the cost of being His follower. Certainly you can have periods of doubt and perhaps even give up for a short time. But if a life isn't marked by at least attempting to follow Christ the question would be whether the person was ever regenerated to begin with. There is no such thing as a non-following follower.
Interestingly your experience has been with IFBs embracing Lordship salvation, my experience was the opposite-the IFB churches I was a part of leaned much heavier toward easy believism.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Not sure where you got the idea I was talking about the unsaved. My issue was the evangelist asking those who had already identified themselves as saved if they had made Jesus Lord. I guess we had an incomplete salvation if we had accepted Jesus as Savior and not made Him Lord, in his opinion. Fortunately I gave up caring about evangelist's opinions years ago. My salvation rests on the sacrifice of Jesus, plus nothing. My relationship with Him is between us. The Holy Spirit is more than capable of telling me what I need to do.
 
Not sure where you got the idea I was talking about the unsaved. My issue was the evangelist asking those who had already identified themselves as saved if they had made Jesus Lord. I guess we had an incomplete salvation if we had accepted Jesus as Savior and not made Him Lord, in his opinion. Fortunately I gave up caring about evangelist's opinions years ago. My salvation rests on the sacrifice of Jesus, plus nothing. My relationship with Him is between us. The Holy Spirit is more than capable of telling me what I need to do.
So what are you arguing for the right to a non following, follower of Christ?
 
So what are you arguing for the right to a non following, follower of Christ?
I am not even sure you know what you are saying. A follower of Christ, someone who is genuinely saved, is not going to be a "non follower". Something may happen along their path that leads them to give up what they are doing, but the Holy Spirit will eventually guide them back. In my experience what usually happens is that some ultra IFBer (pastor, evangelist or even a layperson) will be so discouraging that the follower comes to a point where they don't see how they could possibly live up, perhaps even doubting they were ever really saved in the first place, and just give up. Woe be it to those Pharisees that do this. A friend of mine was part of a growing work in Florida, let's call it Anathema Baptist Church, that took an abrupt change after the pastor fell under the influence of a prominent IFB leader. Wanting to serve God no longer mattered, serving the pastor and submitting to him became everything. The pastor demanded that all church servants attend Thursday night soulwinning. No other night or day was acceptable to the pastor. If you did not go out with the Church on Thursday, then you would have to vacate whatever service you were performing on Sunday; SS teacher, choir member, usher, nursery worker, greeter, etc. There was no valid excuse for not going out with the church. Every service the pastor would question the ushers as to how many people each of them had won to Christ that week. On Wednesday night, the pastor would have all those going out soul winning on Thursday to stand and then spend the next 10 to 15 minutes berating those not standing, questioning their Christianity, if they loved God or if they were even really saved. From my understanding many left the church and the things of Christ during this. They might not be "following God" these days, but they are still His.
 
I am not even sure you know what you are saying. A follower of Christ, someone who is genuinely saved, is not going to be a "non follower". Something may happen along their path that leads them to give up what they are doing, but the Holy Spirit will eventually guide them back. In my experience what usually happens is that some ultra IFBer (pastor, evangelist or even a layperson) will be so discouraging that the follower comes to a point where they don't see how they could possibly live up, perhaps even doubting they were ever really saved in the first place, and just give up. Woe be it to those Pharisees that do this. A friend of mine was part of a growing work in Florida, let's call it Anathema Baptist Church, that took an abrupt change after the pastor fell under the influence of a prominent IFB leader. Wanting to serve God no longer mattered, serving the pastor and submitting to him became everything. The pastor demanded that all church servants attend Thursday night soulwinning. No other night or day was acceptable to the pastor. If you did not go out with the Church on Thursday, then you would have to vacate whatever service you were performing on Sunday; SS teacher, choir member, usher, nursery worker, greeter, etc. There was no valid excuse for not going out with the church. Every service the pastor would question the ushers as to how many people each of them had won to Christ that week. On Wednesday night, the pastor would have all those going out soul winning on Thursday to stand and then spend the next 10 to 15 minutes berating those not standing, questioning their Christianity, if they loved God or if they were even really saved. From my understanding many left the church and the things of Christ during this. They might not be "following God" these days, but they are still His.
I think we are working off differing definitions of what Lordship salvation even is. Since MacArthur is the one who popularized the phrase I'll include his definition which I would be in agreement with.
"The gospel that Jesus proclaimed was a call to discipleship, a call to follow Him in submissive obedience, not just a plea to make a decision or pray a prayer. Jesus' message liberated people from the bondage of their sin while it confronted and condemned hypocrisy. It was an offer of eternal life and forgiveness for repentant sinners, but at the same time it was a rebuke to outwardly religious people whose lives were devoid of true righteousness. It put sinners on notice that they must turn from sin and embrace God's righteousness. Our Lord's words about eternal life were invariably accompanied by warnings to those who might be tempted to take salvation lightly. He taught that the cost of following Him is high, that the way is narrow and few find it. He said many who call him Lord will be forbidden from entering the kingdom of heaven"
It stands in contradiction to the one who says they are saved because they prayed a prayer one time, even though they had little to no interest in the things of God before or after they prayed. Certainly Lordship salvation would have nothing to do with blindly following every whim of someone who proclaimed themselves as "the man of God". Following Jesus and following a particular pastor are not always the same thing.
 
Just follow the words of Paul
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I think we are working off differing definitions of what Lordship salvation even is. Since MacArthur is the one who popularized the phrase I'll include his definition which I would be in agreement with.
"The gospel that Jesus proclaimed was a call to discipleship, a call to follow Him in submissive obedience, not just a plea to make a decision or pray a prayer. Jesus' message liberated people from the bondage of their sin while it confronted and condemned hypocrisy. It was an offer of eternal life and forgiveness for repentant sinners, but at the same time it was a rebuke to outwardly religious people whose lives were devoid of true righteousness. It put sinners on notice that they must turn from sin and embrace God's righteousness. Our Lord's words about eternal life were invariably accompanied by warnings to those who might be tempted to take salvation lightly. He taught that the cost of following Him is high, that the way is narrow and few find it. He said many who call him Lord will be forbidden from entering the kingdom of heaven"
It stands in contradiction to the one who says they are saved because they prayed a prayer one time, even though they had little to no interest in the things of God before or after they prayed. Certainly Lordship salvation would have nothing to do with blindly following every whim of someone who proclaimed themselves as "the man of God". Following Jesus and following a particular pastor are not always the same thing.
So you are saying there are only two types of professing believers? The MacArthurites and "the one who says they are saved because they prayed a prayer one time, even though they had little to no interest in the things of God before or after they prayed." That's pretty arrogant.
 
So you are saying there are only two types of professing believers? The MacArthurites and "the one who says they are saved because they prayed a prayer one time, even though they had little to no interest in the things of God before or after they prayed." That's pretty arrogant.
So you are saying there are only two types of professing believers?
Nope.
 
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