Frag said:
Escapee said:
Binaca Chugger said:
Frag said:
Presenting our congressional leaders with a Bible, a gospel witness and sincere prayers -- that is a waste of time?
There is nothing that this forum will not stoop to scorn.....
Sad.
Spending the church's money so the pastor can travel to DC to say a prayer and present a Bible to a politician then return home and boast to his congregation how he has single-handedly saved America from destruction while the marriages of the members continues to fall apart because the MOG is too busy to counsel -- that is a waste of time.
Shepherd the sheep. Stop the self-grandeurization. Use the money to help a hurting family in your church instead. If you feel so inclined, meet your politician when he or she is in your area, out of sessions.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS^^^^ is a pile of horse manure.
beautiful response. Well read, are we?
Frag said:
Reveals your long standing bias and bitterness towards IFB pastors.
Pastors, no. MOGs, yes.
Frag said:
No one has claimed to singlehandedly saved America.
Maybe you didn't, but others have.
Frag said:
No marriages fell apart in the 3 days I was gone.
Not one person who has requested pastoral counsel went without.
All sheep are cared for.
No self grandeur at all.
All hurting families are properly cared for AND (amazingly) money left over for a ONCE A YEAR trip to meet, influence and pray for our national leaders.
If this be true of your church - great. It is not true of others. I personally have had families calling my wife and I, asking for help because their MOG is too busy to counsel them. And, yes, he has been on these trips. I personally know church members and staff members who cannot afford a vehicle repair or furnace repair and their MOG went on these trips.
No self-grandeurization? Have you met the guy who runs this thing? The guy who lied to churches about his position in Washington? The guy who was dismissed from his position because of accusations from school girls? Really? Do you even know what you have joined yourself to? Your co-horts have come back to their pulpits declaring that a national revival is now underway.
Frag said:
I do also meet with politicians on a state and local level.
Good-on-ya!
Frag said:
Idiot post spewed from a heart full of bias, hatred and bitterness.
Quick -- name me one preacher/prophet of the Bible who did not at some point interact with governmental leaders?
Hmmm......How about, I don't know, Jesus? Yes, he did speak to Pilate, but he situation was different, and it wasn't a prayer over him.
Frag said:
Good thing Paul wasn't supported by people like you -- he would have been dropped because of wasting his time witnessing to Festus and Agrippa....
I seem to forget the story of Paul taking a vacation to travel to Rome to say a nice prayer to Festus and Agrippa. I do remember him being in chains, beaten and presented for execution during which time he shared his testimony. Maybe you could help me out? When did Paul use the money collected by churches to deliver a gift to these governmental leaders and pray for their continuation?