I’d choose to be a Catholic. I believe the theology of Catholicism is more accurate than that of Calvinism.
What about you? Anyone agree with me?
What about you? Anyone agree with me?
Catholic vs Calvinist (if you had to choose)
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Then you know little to nothing about Catholic doctrine…..or Calvinism.
I edit this post to add…or the Reformation.
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"If you had to choose..."
I guess I'd choose Calvinism since I'm already a Calvinist.
But, assuming for the sake of argument that I discovered Calvinism to be false, why is my only alternative Catholicism? It's a false dilemma. Just because I discover the sandwich on my plate is a cow patty, doesn't mean they have a hamburger.
I guess I'd choose Calvinism since I'm already a Calvinist.
But, assuming for the sake of argument that I discovered Calvinism to be false, why is my only alternative Catholicism? It's a false dilemma. Just because I discover the sandwich on my plate is a cow patty, doesn't mean they have a hamburger.
Calvinism isn't a system like Catholicism.
It's like asking, given the choice, would you be a spoke or a bicycle?
Such as?
Both interpret the Scriptures differently.
Oh, it’s definitely not, but for the sake of argument, I set it up this way.
I believe I know some about both, but you definitely won’t find “Th.D” after my name.
Your understanding of Catholic theology and Calvinism. I need to know which misrepresentations I'm voting for.
Really? Thanks for telling us that. Wow. What I wouldn't give to be smart like that.
Here's the thing, Calvinism isn't a denomination. It isn't even codified. It's just a label given to those who believe in God's sovereignty in salvation and predestination.
Calvinists can be Baptists, or Lutherans, or Presbyterians, or even Catholics, as are some Augustinians who lean more toward St. Augustine's determinism than to the overall teaching of the Catholic Church. It's sort of an 'in house' debate like it is in some Baptist churches.
So your question is nonsensical.
But if your issue is with Predestination, why did you select the Catholic church, and not the Methodists?
Well, you didn’t give me much to respond to.
Now it’s your turn. DUH!!!
My experience in life is that when a Baptist adopts Calvinism, very rarely do they remain a Baptist. I’ve seen it numerous times over the years.
But it’s really not. You’re trying to pretend Calvinism can easily slip into other denominations. Maybe that flies in the Presbyterian Church, but not in the Catholic Church. Catholics do believe in predestination in the sense of the divine foreknowledge of God, but the Church does not teach double predestination in the sense that Calvinists do. The idea that God decreed the damnation of anyone is a foreign concept in Catholicism.
That just means your experience is somewhat limited. I think what you meant to say is that they very rarely remain IFB. But what do they become?
They can't become Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Christian Scientists, etc., because one thing all false Christianist religions have in common is some form of synergism or free will. That's not to say that all noncalvinists are in false churches, but no false church has a Calvinist in it.
So, in your experience, what do they become?
Yes, the majority of my experience has been IFB churches with a little SBC sprinkled in, so I can’t speak for other denominations. In my experience with IFB members who have adopted the Calvinist POV, a couple of guys transferred to Presbyterian churches, another guy became a member of one of those mega non-denominational churches, and another guy ended up becoming a self-proclaimed agnostic after several years.
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The Catholics do not preach the gospel.
Calvinist preach the death, burial and resurrection and having faith in Christ alone gets you into a relationship with God.
I’d choose to be a Calvinist.
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This painting reflects Roman Catholic free will and spark of divinity. The idea is that God gives man the ability to "close the gap."
If Michaelangelo read Paul, and held to his thought ( reflected by Augustine and Calvin), God's hand would be grabbing Adam's clenched wrist.
If Michaelangelo read Paul, and held to his thought ( reflected by Augustine and Calvin), God's hand would be grabbing Adam's clenched wrist.
My experience with Catholics is they teach the same. How do they not preach the gospel? They aren’t teaching from the Koran.
My pastor grew up Catholic. He talks all the time about it being nothing but religion... No relationship with the Living God. No Gospel. Just ritual.
I don’t know, I grew up with exposure to both. I think it’s really just a different approach to the same goal. I saw plenty of rites and rituals in the IFB and SBC cultures I grew up around. For example, kneel down at the front of the church if moved by the Spirit; raising of hands during music; shouting AMEN! continuously; folding hands and praying before eating; etc. Granted, none were taught as necessary for salvation, but one was certainly suspect if not actively playing the role.