Catholic vs Calvinist (if you had to choose)

Is Catholicism more Scripturally Accurate than Calvinism?


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Thank you all for your responses. I’m going to continue attending my Baptist church for now. I’m not going to rush into any decision. I’m going to take a couple of years to research the issue. I have a friend who is a Christian theology professor (different state). He has told me in the past that the best fit for me might be a Lutheran church. (He’s actually a Presbyterian, so he has no dog in the fight, although he’d probably not be very pro-Catholic.)
The "best fit" for anyone is a church that teaches the Word of God. A church that teaches the Word ought to take you out of your comfort zone once in a while. Looking for that "best fit" carries with it a self focused priority rather than a God centered priority of seeking His word.

Lutheranism, as are most "mainline" denominations, is fraught with liberal lunacy anymore.
 
The "best fit" for anyone is a church that teaches the Word of God. A church that teaches the Word ought to take you out of your comfort zone once in a while. Looking for that "best fit" carries with it a self focused priority rather than a God centered priority of seeking His word.

Lutheranism, as are most "mainline" denominations, is fraught with liberal lunacy anymore.
What he said.
 
The "best fit" for anyone is a church that teaches the Word of God. A church that teaches the Word ought to take you out of your comfort zone once in a while. Looking for that "best fit" carries with it a self focused priority rather than a God centered priority of seeking His word.

Lutheranism, as are most "mainline" denominations, is fraught with liberal lunacy anymore.
I think that’s part of what attracts me to the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has maintained its stance on the social issues while the Protestant denominations have all radically compromised. Even the most conservative Protestant denominations have begun to pivot leftward.
 
I think that’s part of what attracts me to the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has maintained its stance on the social issues while the Protestant denominations have all radically compromised. Even the most conservative Protestant denominations have begun to pivot leftward.
If you have listened at all to the previous Pope, you would notice a definite left leaning/all roads lead to Heaven being espoused. The current Pope is probably a little more moderate but any system that disregards or corrupts the clear teaching of Scripture as the RCC does is going to degrade into liberal lunacy.

Also, socially conservative ideals are no substitute for Scriptural correctness. Yes, rightly dividing the Word is going to typically result in a socially conservative stance, but it is no guard against being off base. Your acceptance of the Word ought to drive your social outlook. Alignment with a church because it is socially conservative puts the cart before the horse.
 
If you have listened at all to the previous Pope, you would notice a definite left leaning/all roads lead to Heaven being espoused. The current Pope is probably a little more moderate but any system that disregards or corrupts the clear teaching of Scripture as the RCC does is going to degrade into liberal lunacy.
Yes, he did pivot left, but he did maintain the stance on the big issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc).
Also, socially conservative ideals are no substitute for Scriptural correctness. Yes, rightly dividing the Word is going to typically result in a socially conservative stance, but it is no guard against being off base. Your acceptance of the Word ought to drive your social outlook. Alignment with a church because it is socially conservative puts the cart before the horse.
I can’t argue or disagree with that. Valid points. I suppose the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons are socially conservative, but I scripturally disagree with them.
 
The "best fit" for anyone is a church that teaches the Word of God. A church that teaches the Word ought to take you out of your comfort zone once in a while. Looking for that "best fit" carries with it a self focused priority rather than a God centered priority of seeking His word.

Lutheranism, as are most "mainline" denominations, is fraught with liberal lunacy anymore.
There is still a conservative branch of Lutheranism.
 
I'd never be Catholic knowing what I know. I have thought about being Calvinist - I think I may have been Calvinist for a little while. But Catholic soteriology is very problematic and to me damnable heresy.
 
I think there are small pockets of conservatives churches in a lot of denominations. There’s even a Methodist church near me that recently broke off from the organization over the gay marriage issue and became an “independent” church. I’ve heard of some conservative Lutheran, Presbyterian, etc. On the other hand, I’ve also been to SBC churches that you’d think would be conservative, but are seemingly the complete opposite. (I’ve noticed that the more liberal SBC churches tend to avoid using the name “Baptist” on their church sign and also tend to have buildings that look more like warehouses than traditional church buildings.)
 
Maybe it would help to stop thinking of the denominations as lock step monoliths.
 
But Catholic soteriology is very problematic and to me damnable heresy.
Whoa…that’s a pretty strong statement there. Really? Damnable??)
My neighbor who is a Church of Christ minister has told me plainly in my discussions with him that I am going to hell because I haven't been properly baptized to wash away my sins. He believes his denomination (he refuses to call it that) is the one true church and everyone outside of it is lost. He has plainly told me that faith alone isn't sufficient but the rite of baptism is necessary for someone not to go to hell. This is the Church of Christ plan of salvation according to him and in this order.
1. Believe
2. Repent
3. Confess
4. Be baptized

Notice how he puts belief before repentance. Repentance is always put before belief everywhere the two are found together in scripture. Basically, he teaches that we must believe and then start working our way to heaven by living a good life and physically be baptized in order to wash away our sins. Some have called them "Southern Catholics" because that is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. One must belong to the one true church (Roman Catholic), he must take the sacraments (including baptism), and then keep the Ten Commandments in order to obtain salvation. This is a damnable doctrine that will not save anyone because their trust is not in Christ alone but in the physical deeds they must do according to the teachings of what they consider to be the one true church.

I know there are exceptions. I believe Max Lucado and James Dobson have a Church of Christ background and don't adhere to these beliefs but as a rule it is a false church that people should be warned about.
 
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My neighbor who is a Church of Christ minister has told me plainly in my discussions with him that I am going to hell because I haven't been properly been baptized to wash away my sins. He believes his denomination (he refuses to call it that) is the one true church and everyone outside of it is lost. He has plainly told me that faith alone isn't sufficient but the rite of baptism is necessary for someone not to go to hell. This is the Church of Christ plan of salvation according to him and in this order.
1. Believe
2. Repent
3. Confess
4. Be baptized

Notice how he puts belief before repentance. Repentance is always put before belief everywhere the two are found together in scripture. Basically, he teaches that we must believe and then start working our way to heaven by living a good life and physically be baptized in order to wash away our sins. Some have called them "Southern Catholics" because that is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. One must belong to the one true church (Roman Catholic), he must take the sacraments (including baptism), and then keep the Ten Commandments in order to obtain salvation. This is a damnable doctrine that will not save anyone because their trust is not in Christ alone but in the physical deeds they must do according to the teachings of what they consider to be the one true church.

I know there are exceptions. I believe Max Lucado and James Dobson have a Church of Christ background and don't adhere to these beliefs but as a rule it is a false church that people should be warned about.
If it makes you feel any better, I was once browbeaten at my own front door by a Jehovah’s Witness lady. I answered the knock on the door and unfortunately had no shirt on and she spotted my cross necklace. I was told I was guilty of all types of bad deeds.
 
Nope.

"We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther or Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the very days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel underground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents." - Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Ah, Landmarkism. Apostolic Succession, Baptist style.
 
Ah, Landmarkism. Apostolic Succession, Baptist style.
But much different when it comes to soteriology. Baptists as all Christians believe justification is instant at the point when one comes to repentance and trust in Christ alone while sanctification is progressive. Salvation isn't a process of keeping the rituals of a church and following the ten commandments in order to keep from going to hell.
 
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The Catholic Church has maintained its stance on the social issues while the Protestant denominations have all radically compromised.

The Audacity of Pope: Would you describe the Pope authorizing priests to bless same-sex couples as "maintaining its stance on the social issues?"


Roman Catholic bishops in Africa have strongly protested this pronouncement by the pope. They don't seem to think that the Roman Catholic Church is "maintaining its stance on the social issues" at all.

“Within the church family of God in Africa, this declaration has caused a shockwave, it has sown misconceptions and unrest in the minds of many lay faithful, consecrated persons and even pastors, and has aroused strong reactions,”

 
I believe Max Lucado and James Dobson have a Church of Christ background and don't adhere to these beliefs but as a rule it is a false church that people should be warned about.

This is true. Church of Christ people are very nice, sincere people but their plan of salvation is basically mental assent to the gospel and then be baptized. They make it clear that baptism is essential to salvation. I asked a Church of Christ friend, "What if you are out in the desert and want to get saved" and he said "Better start digging for water."

Note: James Dobson's background is Church of the Nazarene, not Church of Christ.
 
Whoa…that’s a pretty strong statement there. Really? Damnable??)
If anyone trusts in the official Catholic doctrine of salvation sadly that would damn their soul.
If you only had a Th.D. you could read scripture, read Catholic dogma and compare….contrast is more accurate…them for yourself.
 
If anyone trusts in the official Catholic doctrine of salvation sadly that would damn their soul.
If you only had a Th.D. you could read scripture, read Catholic dogma and compare….contrast is more accurate…them for yourself.
Can you explain then, why have I had two different IFB pastors in my lifetime who have publicly stated from the pulpit that they believe there are Catholics who are genuine Christians and will be in heaven? (As a side note, one IFB pastor had a Bob Jones University background, the other had a Pensacola Christian College background—both were longtime pastors.)
 
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