Chemical Warfare

[Timothy]

CNN reports: Secretary of State John Kerry calls the use of chemical weapons in Syria "undeniable" and "a moral obscenity."

Do you believe it is just a matter of time that America will experience a chemical attack?

What are your thoughts?

 

[Castor Muscular]

[Chemical] Attacks on civilians by Bashar al-Assad’s regime are, he said, “a moral obscenity” that “should shock the conscience of the world.”

Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized. 

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized. [/quote]

That's okay because it is done to save American lives...

...and those are worth loads more than the lives of everyone else those other people.

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized.

That's okay because it is done to save American lives...

...and those are worth loads more than the lives of everyone else those other people.
[/quote]

Yeah... drones have the capacity to kill thousands if not tens of thousands of people at a time ..... just like chemical weapons.  :

Your comparison is silly..... and the answer is YES. One American life is better than 1,000 jihadist seeking to kill Americans.

 

[christundivided]

Kerry lied and people died.

I have a lot more respect for Kerry than I ever did for Hilary.... not saying I have much for Kerry....

 

[Castor Muscular]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized.

That's okay because it is done to save American lives...

...and those are worth loads more than the lives of everyone else those other people.

Yeah... drones have the capacity to kill thousands if not tens of thousands of people at a time ..... just like chemical weapons.  :

Your comparison is silly..... and the answer is YES. One American life is better than 1,000 jihadist seeking to kill Americans.
[/quote]

My point was that he seems to think there's something especially abhorrent about chemical weapons killing 1,000 people (as opposed to 50 people with machine guns killing 1,000 people -- better?).  It's like, we don't care how many people you're killing, Mr. Assad, just as long as you don't use THIS type of weapon to do it. 

 

[FSSL]

Kerry lied and people died.

I have a lot more respect for Kerry than I ever did for Hilary.... not saying I have much for Kerry....

October 2004, Kerry, in his debate with Bush, said that "Bush's campaign was a weapon of distraction."
We know Hilary had the inside dope... perhaps, Kerry didn't know because he was a dope.

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized.

That's okay because it is done to save American lives...

...and those are worth loads more than the lives of everyone else those other people.

Yeah... drones have the capacity to kill thousands if not tens of thousands of people at a time ..... just like chemical weapons.  :

Your comparison is silly..... and the answer is YES. One American life is better than 1,000 jihadist seeking to kill Americans.

My point was that he seems to think there's something especially abhorrent about chemical weapons killing 1,000 people (as opposed to 50 people with machine guns killing 1,000 people -- better?).  It's like, we don't care how many people you're killing, Mr. Assad, just as long as you don't use THIS type of weapon to do it.
[/quote]

I can agree with that.... rsca didn't appear to be saying the same thing. I do think the US should intervene because of the shear # of people being killed. If anything, they should stop both sides from fighting. There is no win/win in this situation.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]Killing civilians by drone attacks are far less shocking and much more civilized.

That's okay because it is done to save American lives...

...and those are worth loads more than the lives of everyone else those other people.

Yeah... drones have the capacity to kill thousands if not tens of thousands of people at a time ..... just like chemical weapons.  :[/quote]

Drones have a significant capacity for "collateral damage" just like chemical weapons with the added advantage(!) that you can deploy them from thousands of miles away. Our country doesn't really seem all that concerned with the cost of those additional lives far too often (IMHO).

[quote author=christundivided]Your comparison is silly..... and the answer is YES. One American life is better than 1,000 jihadist seeking to kill Americans.[/quote]

And how many innocent Iraqi/Afgani lives does it take to equal the life of one American seeking to kill those innocents?

 

[Izdaari]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

 

[christundivided]

And how many innocent Iraqi/Afgani lives does it take to equal the life of one American seeking to kill those innocents?

You know..... I don't even care to interact with people like you. You've bought the libertarian philosophy hook line and sinker...... I am all for freedom but... you....like others here.... have really abandoned common sense when it comes to be a libertarian.

I know it doesn't bother you.... but it bothers me when someone compares a just action that results in innocent life being lost and the injustice brought about through the deliberate criminal actions of those purposely seek to take innocent lives. You can't compare the inadvertent killing of innocent people when we use a drone to take out our enemies......with chemical weapons used on innocent civilians purely as a means to remove opposition. Go take another hit off the crack pipe...

 

[christundivided]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

How about less lives being lost? Is that important to you?

Are you enjoying all that sand in your ears?

 

[christundivided]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

I agree. The UN was responsible for allowing the weapons to be transferred to Syria before we got to Iraq.

Now the UN is stalling for another reason. Let the UN (without our aid) continue the mess.

As long as the UN is involved in a war, we should not.

The UN doesn't care about anything we have to do or say. Thus, we shouldn't care one thing about they have to do or say. We should intervene for humanitarian reasons.

 

[rsc2a]

And how many innocent Iraqi/Afgani lives does it take to equal the life of one American seeking to kill those innocents?

You know..... I don't even care to interact with people like you. You've bought the libertarian philosophy hook line and sinker...... I am all for freedom but... you....like others here.... have really abandoned common sense when it comes to be a libertarian.

This would be more akin to pacifism than libertarianism. Tell me: when Jesus said to pray for your enemies, do you think He meant we should drop bombs on them?

[quote author=christundivided]I know it doesn't bother you.... but it bothers me when someone compares a just action that results in innocent life being lost and the injustice brought about through the deliberate criminal actions of those purposely seek to take innocent lives. You can't compare the inadvertent killing of innocent people when we use a drone to take out our enemies with chemical weapons used on innocent civilians purely as a means to remove opposition.[/quote]

Perhaps you noticed that a service member was convicted of murder after mowing down mowing down civilians in two villages? Based on current US policy, the appropriate Afgani response would be to respond by coming over here and killing a couple hundred people.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the United States gets involved in these things for humanitarian reasons, even though that does give us good cover. It's about empire building, pure and simple, another idea that Jesus said a few things about...

 

[Castor Muscular]

This would be more akin to pacifism than libertarianism. Tell me: when Jesus said to pray for your enemies, do you think He meant we should drop bombs on them?

What about the Holy Hand Grenade?  Isn't that in the Bible somewhere?

 

[Castor Muscular]

Monty Python-Holy Hand Grenade

 

[Izdaari]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

How about less lives being lost? Is that important to you?

Are you enjoying all that sand in your ears?

Less lives being lost would be a good thing. But I don't see how a US intervention would be likely to bring that about. Unless we just outright conquered the place, and put it under a military governor like we did in Germany and Japan after WWII, until they were ready, really ready to transition back to self-rule. That would take a lot of boots on the ground, a very long time commitment (as long as it takes, no deadlines), and politicians willing to give the military a free hand. It's not at all like the SNAFU in Iraq after the initial invasion. And I don't think it's politically possible... especially under Obama, but the public support wouldn't be there anyway, no matter who was in office.

What exactly do you think my foreign policy views are? It's not something I've talked much about on this forum. Hint: Though I'm domestically  in tune with Gary Johnson and Rand Paul, on foreign policy I'm a lot closer to Eisenhower and Bush 41. IOW, a traditional Republican before the neocons came to power.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I am not a pacifist, by any stretch. My position is that America's enemies are fighting each other. Let them dwindle each other's numbers.

IF this escalates to the point where the US is threatened, then "let's roll."

^This. 

IMO, the only reason we're interested in bombing Syria is because Barack Jarrett doesn't want the Muslim Brotherhood to lose.

 

[Izdaari]

I am not a pacifist, by any stretch. My position is that America's enemies are fighting each other. Let them dwindle each other's numbers.

IF this escalates to the point where the US is threatened, then "let's roll."

Agreed.

http://youtu.be/W9snkvhvXSs

 

[christundivided]

This would be more akin to pacifism than libertarianism. Tell me: when Jesus said to pray for your enemies, do you think He meant we should drop bombs on them?

What a response. I'd expect such a response from people like you. Jesus abandoned the promotion of any particular nation with the inclusion of the Gentiles in His kingdom. YET, there isn't such a thing a living in a vacuum. Its in our best interest as nation and the world that we intervene in this present world. We are a heavenly people looking for a heavenly kingdom, YET, we are Americans. We value freedom.... NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES... but OTHERS. IF you can't understand this truth.... then get out. Go to Iran and see what "praying for enemy" geta you. "Praying for your enemy" doesn't work among reprobate nations that only care about spreading jihad and Islamic rule.

Perhaps you noticed that a service member was convicted of murder after mowing down mowing down civilians in two villages? Based on current US policy, the appropriate Afgani response would be to respond by coming over here and killing a couple hundred people.

Moron.... the foolish actions of one service member doesn't mean our cause is based on retribution. Either way, you can value every life equally all you want. Our own master has consigned millions to hell because they simply refuse to accept Him. He could over power them Himself. He could do as He pleases. Yet, He knows a man convinced against his own will is of the same opinion still. Its man's own actions that define the course of this world and all its nations.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the United States gets involved in these things for humanitarian reasons, even though that does give us good cover. It's about empire building, pure and simple, another idea that Jesus said a few things about...

And your kidding yourself if you think the US doesn't get involved for a good reason. A good cause. A righteous and just cause. There may be other reasons but don't tell me that its always for any other reason BESIDES justice.