Chemical Warfare

[Castor Muscular]

And your kidding yourself if you think the US doesn't get involved for a good reason. A good cause. A righteous and just cause. There may be other reasons but don't tell me that its always for any other reason BESIDES justice.

It's not ALWAYS for a bad reason, but it is, sometimes.  Sometimes it's just a political distraction. 

 

[christundivided]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

How about less lives being lost? Is that important to you?

Are you enjoying all that sand in your ears?

Less lives being lost would be a good thing. But I don't see how a US intervention would be likely to bring that about. Unless we just outright conquered the place, and put it under a military governor like we did in Germany and Japan after WWII, until they were ready, really ready to transition back to self-rule. That would take a lot of boots on the ground, a very long time commitment (as long as it takes, no deadlines), and politicians willing to give the military a free hand. It's not at all like the SNAFU in Iraq after the initial invasion. And I don't think it's politically possible... especially under Obama, but the public support wouldn't be there anyway, no matter who was in office.

What exactly do you think my foreign policy views are? It's not something I've talked much about on this forum. Hint: Though I'm domestically  in tune with Gary Johnson and Rand Paul, on foreign policy I'm a lot closer to Eisenhower and Bush 41. IOW, a traditional Republican before the neocons came to power.

Bush 41 should have removed SH from power. He has repeated said that he regrets not doing it when he had the chance. You don't know Bush Sr. very well. So much for your understanding of foreign policy.

Less lives could have been taken if we had intervened early and I don't know how you can say unless we conquer the place.... less lives wouldn't be lost. I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.

 

[christundivided]

And your kidding yourself if you think the US doesn't get involved for a good reason. A good cause. A righteous and just cause. There may be other reasons but don't tell me that its always for any other reason BESIDES justice.

It's not ALWAYS for a bad reason, but it is, sometimes.  Sometimes it's just a political distraction.

Clinton maybe.... I don't believe for one minute that Bush Jr. did what he did based on political distraction. I wouldn't put it past Obama but as much as I don't like him.... I don't think he would simply do it as a distraction.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]What a response. I'd expect such a response from people like you. Jesus abandoned the promotion of any particular nation with the inclusion of the Gentiles in His kingdom. YET, there isn't such a thing a living in a vacuum. Its in our best interest as nation and the world that we intervene in this present world.[/quote]

And we should intervene in a manner that is consistent with the principles Jesus preached and lived. I fail to see how empire-building and preemptive strikes are consistent with those principles.

[quote author=christundivided]We are a heavenly people looking for a heavenly kingdom, YET, we are Americans.[/quote]

My primary allegiance is to God. When my nation is acting in a manner contrary to that which God has decreed, I follow Him. The fact that I am an American doesn't grant me the freedom to disobey my Creator.

[quote author=christundivided]We value freedom.... NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES... but OTHERS.[/quote]

Really? Do you have any idea how many little dictators we have propped up for the sake of our empire? We aren't all that concerned about freedom. A military group just overthrew a legally elected president, and we as a nation could care less.

[quote author=christundivided]IF you can't understand this truth.... then get out. Go to Iran and see what "praying for enemy" geta you. "Praying for your enemy" doesn't work among reprobate nations that only care about spreading jihad and Islamic rule. [/quote]

I can guarantee that, on the whole, the Christians under Caesar had a harder time than Christians anywhere in the world today (and some places are terrible). Yet, that didn't stop Paul (or Jesus) from telling people to obey the authorities. Our greatest Example was praying for His enemies as they gambled for His clothes below the feet that had been just nailed to a cross.

The issue seems to be that you still seem to want to keep doing things as the world instead of as Christ. The methodology of the world, the principalities of this age, is empire-building and violence. Yet, Jesus built His kingdom through sacrifice and suffering. If you wish to keep your life...

[quote author=christundivided]

Perhaps you noticed that a service member was convicted of murder after mowing down mowing down civilians in two villages? Based on current US policy, the appropriate Afgani response would be to respond by coming over here and killing a couple hundred people.

Moron.... the foolish actions of one service member doesn't mean our cause is based on retribution.[/quote]

Strange...the foolish actions of one man was impetus enough for us to justify invading a country for retribution.

[quote author=christundivided]Either way, you can value every life equally all you want. Our own master has consigned millions to hell because they simply refuse to accept Him. He could over power them Himself. He could do as He pleases. Yet, He knows a man convinced against his own will is of the same opinion still. Its man's own actions that define the course of this world and all its nations. [/quote]

Whether the argument is you questioning the actions of God or the bad soteriology, you're still wrong.

[quote author=christundivided]

And you're kidding yourself if you think the United States gets involved in these things for humanitarian reasons, even though that does give us good cover. It's about empire building, pure and simple, another idea that Jesus said a few things about...

And your kidding yourself if you think the US doesn't get involved for a good reason. A good cause. A righteous and just cause. There may be other reasons but don't tell me that its always for any other reason BESIDES justice.[/quote]

Name one case where the motive of the United States was benevolence. If we were so concerned about the good of others, we would have been in Syria a long time ago. But it was more important that we practice empire-building in Libya. After all, they got more cocaine oil.

 

[Izdaari]

I don't see anything to be gained by US intervention in Syria.

How about less lives being lost? Is that important to you?

Are you enjoying all that sand in your ears?

Less lives being lost would be a good thing. But I don't see how a US intervention would be likely to bring that about. Unless we just outright conquered the place, and put it under a military governor like we did in Germany and Japan after WWII, until they were ready, really ready to transition back to self-rule. That would take a lot of boots on the ground, a very long time commitment (as long as it takes, no deadlines), and politicians willing to give the military a free hand. It's not at all like the SNAFU in Iraq after the initial invasion. And I don't think it's politically possible... especially under Obama, but the public support wouldn't be there anyway, no matter who was in office.

What exactly do you think my foreign policy views are? It's not something I've talked much about on this forum. Hint: Though I'm domestically  in tune with Gary Johnson and Rand Paul, on foreign policy I'm a lot closer to Eisenhower and Bush 41. IOW, a traditional Republican before the neocons came to power.

Bush 41 should have removed SH from power. He has repeated said that he regrets not doing it when he had the chance. You don't know Bush Sr. very well. So much for your understanding of foreign policy.

Less lives could have been taken if we had intervened early and I don't know how you can say unless we conquer the place.... less lives wouldn't be lost. I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.

Yes, that could be done, and of course you're right that it would have been more effective if done sooner. And if it tipped the balance sufficiently, the rebels could win after a long hard struggle, with much loss of life. And the resulting regime would probably be an Al Qaeda ally, not an improvement over Assad. I'm not seeing much advantage for us down that path, nor much life saving.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.
[/quote]

Did you really just propose starting a world war as the best idea for United States' foreign policy?

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.

Did you really just propose starting a world war as the best idea for United States' foreign policy?
[/quote]

You assume it would start a war. That's the usually argument made by a coward. Sometimes, you have to do what is right and let the chips fall where they may. I'm certain you've never done this in your life. You're always seeking to please the most people you can at any given moment. Say a prayer for me. I'm sure you've done so at least a thousands times since we've interacted here on the forum. Keep up the "good work".

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.

Did you really just propose starting a world war as the best idea for United States' foreign policy?

You assume it would start a war...[/quote]

Yes. I assume that perpetrating acts of war on other countries will start wars. That's how it works, no?

[quote author=christundivided]...<vapid Christ-less rambling>...[/quote]

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]I am not for invasion. I am for crippling their military infrastructure. Ceasing arms and removing any threat of loss of life. Destroy all the Russian arms. The North Korean arms, the Iranian arms. Destroy any shipment that is not allowed to be inspected.

Did you really just propose starting a world war as the best idea for United States' foreign policy?

You assume it would start a war...

Yes. I assume that perpetrating acts of war on other countries will start wars. That's how it works, no?

[quote author=christundivided]...<vapid Christ-less rambling>...[/quote]
[/quote]

No..... its not. Maybe in your pee brain it is....

I could care less about your judgement of my comments.

Pray tell.... what is Christ going to do in His return? Pray for his enemies? Is He going to beg and plead with all those people that just simply "misunderstands" Him? Is he going to ENFORCE anything? You're pitiful.

I started to write a length response to your silly remarks early.... but it useless to talk to a coward like you. Useless. Maybe.... you really did pray for the bully that wrapped your underwear around your forehead in elementary school. Regardless of what your limited mind can fathom..... there are real people that could care less about your "christian pacifism" beliefs. They will use them to their advantage. They ask you to pray for them and turn right around and kill your wife, your children and anyone that has ever loved you. They would have killed Christ much sooner than he was killed. They only thing that stopped it was His divine power. Its ALL about power. Those that have power, exercise it ever how they see fit. Go head, get on your knees and pray. I'm not saying prayer doesn't work.... BUT prayer isn't going to change Iran. Prayer isn't going to change Syria. Prayer isn't going to change North Korea. Sooner or later, you have to get your hands dirty little girl. Maybe its time to stop getting all those pedicures.

I bet.... you're really not passive. I bet... if we were to meet in person, you'd probably punch me in the face before I ever laid a hand on you.

 

[Recovering IFB]

CU, that's about as classless as I have seen anybody on here,
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[christundivided]

CU, that's about as classless as I have seen anybody on here,
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The truth hurts sometimes.

Do you think rsca is praying for me???

Do you believe he's spending more time praying for me or an Al-Qaeda operative being harassed by the US government?