Christian Fight Club

[prophet]

Playgrounds have always been the place where gladiators are recruited.  It is what we men do.  We fight. 
If you weren't Navajo, I'd appeal to your people's History, but, alas yours is the History of peaceful skilled tradesmen.
But, your Aztec side would remember.
American's have gotten weak.
Abraham Lincoln was a heavyweight champ.
Read of David's mighty men.

Men should learn to fight, to fight evil men, who will always be here.

MMA is boring, but at least it is once again teaching men to lose their fear  of getting hit.

I do think that the cage takes away some of the skill that they would otherwise have to employ, and would maybe watch, if they removed it.
But the fact is, most impromptu fights end in grappling on the ground, so MMA is prepping men to defend themselves and others.

Anishinaabe

true.... as navajo we were the peaceful skilled tradesmen...... but navajo were never afraid of anything.... especially not of being hit....... it was navajo marines who volunteered to go the pacific as code talkers.... (basically a non combatant role).... and helped the u.s. win world war 2 against the japanese..... and further back in history any time the navajo nation was threatened they prepared themselves to do whatever they had to do to meet that threat and fight it off..... they would have never survived as a nation in the early americas living right next to apache and the comanche if they had not..... 

i believe that teaching young men... and even young women to be strong.. courageous ... and to learn how to defend themselves and their loved ones is vital in any culture..... and tests of those skills through mock combat and competition is also necessary....  but the kind of mma fighting currently being taught is not about repelling an attacker for the sake of survival......or even building strength through wrestling and grappling....  but about beating your opponent into submission.....and what i see happening with the current obsession over this mma and cage fighting is the creation of an entire culture of violence..... a culture that loves violence and cherishes it... uses it not primarily for the purpose of ensuring safety and freedom ...but for daily entertainment a gratification .......  young men .. and also women...brought up in a culture like that are not only prepared for fighting and bloodshed but have an insatiable thirst for it... if a fight doesn;t come to them they will go out and find one .... or start one....... is that what being a american... or more importantly a christian... is all about?......

In our society, full of couch potatoes? 

Anishinaabe

 

[rsc2a]

I'm pretty certain the popularity of MMA fighting has less to do with it creating a culture of violence than it does with bring a product to market that fits into a pre-existing culture of violence.

 

[prophet]

true.... as navajo we were the peaceful skilled tradesmen...... but navajo were never afraid of anything.... especially not of being hit....... it was navajo marines who volunteered to go the pacific as code talkers.... (basically a non combatant role).... and helped the u.s. win world war 2 against the japanese..... and further back in history any time the navajo nation was threatened they prepared themselves to do whatever they had to do to meet that threat and fight it off..... they would have never survived as a nation in the early americas living right next to apache and the comanche if they had not..... 

i believe that teaching young men... and even young women to be strong.. courageous ... and to learn how to defend themselves and their loved ones is vital in any culture..... and tests of those skills through mock combat and competition is also necessary....  but the kind of mma fighting currently being taught is not about repelling an attacker for the sake of survival......or even building strength through wrestling and grappling....  but about beating your opponent into submission.....and what i see happening with the current obsession over this mma and cage fighting is the creation of an entire culture of violence..... a culture that loves violence and cherishes it... uses it not primarily for the purpose of ensuring safety and freedom ...but for daily entertainment a gratification .......  young men .. and also women...brought up in a culture like that are not only prepared for fighting and bloodshed but have an insatiable thirst for it... if a fight doesn;t come to them they will go out and find one .... or start one....... is that what being a american... or more importantly a christian... is all about?......

In our society, full of couch potatoes? 

Anishinaabe

i have to admit... i;m not that familiar with couch potatoes......  :-....  i know what they are.... i just don;t personally know very many.... hawaii is not known as a state for having many couch potatoes.... :- ... . but then again.... sumo is a popular sport here in the islands and has a large television audience..... so they must be out there somewhere..... but i;m sure they don;t get involved with the sumo themselves.... i think it just gives them one more excuse to sit back in front of the tv and guzzle another beer.........  i can imagine that most fans of televised mma aren;t much different....  little more than couch potatoes sitting back and watching the show...... that;s troubling enough.....but it;s what being taught to those young men ....and now even women... who are being recruited to participate in this form of entertainment that is even more troubling...... 

which brings me to another question... do you watch... or know anyone who watches... the womens mma fights?...... and for the record this is one subject where me and my sister differ and disagree sharply.... she is actually a big fan of mma ....and especially of gina carano who used to fight in womens mma but recently became an actor...... she would no doubt agree with all you say wholeheartedly.......  but then defense and close protection is her line of work.....and was even before womens mma came on the scene.....

Not a fan of women fighting for an audience. 



Anishinaabe

 

[prophet]

Not a fan of women fighting for an audience. 



Anishinaabe

i;m not either.....  but i wouldn;t mind being built like some of them or have their strength and agility.......

now watch mr rancid squirrel carcass chime in and say this is me showing a double standard too....  : .... i;m surprised he hasn;t brought up the fact i;m a fan of female matadors and bull fighting yet...  ...
[/quote]I think all women should be trained to fight.  My girls certainly are.  But women need to learn to psychologically manipulate a male attacker , or would be attacker, as well.

Anishinaabe

 

[prophet]

Not a fan of women fighting for an audience. 



Anishinaabe

i;m not either.....  but i wouldn;t mind being built like some of them or have their strength and agility.......

now watch mr rancid squirrel carcass chime in and say this is me showing a double standard too....  : .... i;m surprised he hasn;t brought up the fact i;m a fan of female matadors and bull fighting yet...  ...

I think all women should be trained to fight.  My girls certainly are.  But women need to learn to psychologically manipulate a male attacker , or would be attacker, as well.

Anishinaabe

a man needs to have a working brain or at least some kind of moral sense to be subject to psychological manipulation..... the men i have witnessed do violence to women... and who have threatened me with it.... appeared to have neither..... and the guy who murdered my sister years ago was actually a trained martial artist and street fighter too....(not that he needed to know those skills... he was well over twice her size).... but he was also a bouncer at the club she worked in.... some would say her mistake was trying to fight back.... but as angry and out of control as he was i think he would have killed her anyway that night.....  all his training just made him more effective at it.....

the world where abraham lincoln became a heavy weight champ and the world we live in today are two very different places.....i wonder what he would think of todays mma cage fighting contests.....

To gain a momentary upper hand, for a chance to escape, lure another man to her aide, or set up a chance to overpower her intended attacker, a women has some God given wiles to employ, and should be trained by her mother as to how and when to use them. 
See Jael.

Anishinaabe

 

[prophet]

To gain a momentary upper hand, for a chance to escape, lure another man to her aide, or set up a chance to overpower her intended attacker, a women has some God given wiles to employ, and should be trained by her mother as to how and when to use them. 
See Jael.

Anishinaabe

i am very familiar with the story of jael.... and i understand what you are saying.....  but i still don;t see how that relates to the situation i was talking about.....  sisara never posed any threat to jael..... she actually invited him into her tent as he was fleeing for his life... and he accepted the invitation because their 2 families had a friendly history.... then when he fell asleep she drove a nail into his head....... yes... she took down a big bad guy by using guile and feminine wiles... but it was a big bad guy who never meant her any harm........

that is not even close to the same thing as when a 270 plus pound man grabs a woman less than half his size by the hair and begins punching her in the face and upper body repeatedly over a disagreement at dinner....... or when a young woman is approached by a group of men in a dark parking lot who do mean her harm.... .... and in the first example i don;t think there is anything she could have done different from the moment he walked into the house.... he came in angry ... high on crystal meth... and looking for a reason to fight.... then he provoked the fight himself....... then once it started she was totally helpless.... i don;t believe there is any amount of kung fu or martial arts training that could have helped her... (other than just not being there when he got home that night...)

despite what is depicted in popular chop sockies and michelle yeoh movies... size really does matter in one on one confrontations..... if it didn;t then there would be no need for weight class divisions in mma and martial arts contests.....

still.... i do like the story of jael.... and she is one of my favorite women from the Bible...... thanks for reminding me of it.... ....

Read what I posted.  She needs to know what's coming, before it gets there, if she is to fend off a real threat.
There is no way to undo what was done.  But, knowing that is out there, shouldn't we do our best to prepare?

Jael took down Barak, by appealing to his weakness.
She pre-emptively struck.
It isn't a perfect system, just a glimmer of hope.

Anishinaabe

 

[Izdaari]

To fight off a larger and stronger skilled attacker, I recommend a woman use what a man should in such a case: a gun.

As the saying goes: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try a gun." 

 

[Ijiwaru Sensei]

Any "competition" that has as its end goal to render another human being unconscious is antithetical to the Christian faith. We are not showing respect for someone made in the image of God when we try to knee someone in the face or punch someone in the gut or otherwise try to cause another bodily harm.

What attitudes or characteristics are being cultivated by this "sport"? A love of brutality, a callousness toward violence, an acceptance of force over reason, violence over love, aggression over meekness. some culturally formed concept of manliness?

Be ye kind, one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering.

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Christ set the example for us Christians--personal sacrifice--not beating the snot out of another human being for our own entertainment.

 

[4everfsu]

To fight off a larger and stronger skilled attacker, I recommend a woman use what a man should in such a case: a gun.

As the saying goes: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try a gun." 

Paraphrasing Samuel Colt. 

All men are not created equal, but I just made them equal.

 

[ChuckBob]

To fight off a larger and stronger skilled attacker, I recommend a woman use what a man should in such a case: a gun.

As the saying goes: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try a gun." 

Paraphrasing Samuel Colt.

"The Lord made some men big and some men small. Sam Colt made them all equal." That's the quote you're looking for. In my baby girl's case it was Gaston Glock. 

All men are not created equal, but I just made them equal.