Convicting. Or Should Be.

Ekklesian said:
Yes


No. I would call IsraelTM evil in the fashion of antichrist.

However, it's difficult to see much difference in any form of ethnic cleansing.
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The answer is either a yes or a no, not a no with a qualifier.
 
“This is happening in Israel. Its not happening in Thailand, South America, in the middle of Africa, why is this? Why is the whole world focused always on Israel? Why are nations rising up against Israel, surrounding Israel, threatening extermination and elimination? These are just previews of Armageddon. That’s exactly what you have in the end times, Ezekiel 38 and 39, the Book of Revelation where the entire world comes together right at the point of the nation Israel to bring about destruction and they are met by the returning Christ who destroys them and establishes His Kingdom. This little tiny nation of Israel is the target of hatred all over the world. Students in the major universities taking the side of Hamas against Israel. This is the anti-Semitism that is in the groundwater of human culture, fed by Satan himself, taking every effort to destroy Israel, even the Messiah and to thwart his Kingdom.” John MacArthur (after the October 7, 2023 massacre)

I just want to say that as Christians we can disagree on whether the Church is separate from Israel, on whether to take the prophecies concerning the future of Israel literally or not, how baptism is to be administered, and a host of other things without being disagreeable. I think the close friendship John MacArthur had with R.C. Sproul and other Reformed pastors who differed with him on Dispensationalism shows that we do not have to be enemies because of these doctrinal issues. One thing I will have nothing to do with though is Christians™ like Ekklesian™ taking the side of Hamas and every Jew hater I grew up listening to and give it legitimacy. The greatest legacy John MacArthur could have is what an orthodox Jew (Ben Shapiro) had to say about him after his death, “He was my friend because he cared about my eternal soul.”

 
biscuit1953 said:
One thing I will have nothing to do with though is Christians™ like Ekklesian™ taking the side of Hamas and every Jew hater I grew up listening to and give it legitimacy.
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Actually, it would seem I'm taking the side of the anti-zionist Jews. Yaakov Shapiro calls the Israeli settlers idolators. He calls the Zionists anti-semitic.

Is he a Jew hater?

Didn't you listen to the podcasts?

Did you see that Jacob Neusner accused St. John of being a Jew hater?
 
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biscuit1953 said:
“This is happening in Israel. Its not happening in Thailand, South America, in the middle of Africa, why is this? Why is the whole world focused always on Israel? Why are nations rising up against Israel, surrounding Israel, threatening extermination and elimination? These are just previews of Armageddon. That’s exactly what you have in the end times, Ezekiel 38 and 39, the Book of Revelation where the entire world comes together right at the point of the nation Israel to bring about destruction and they are met by the returning Christ who destroys them and establishes His Kingdom. This little tiny nation of Israel is the target of hatred all over the world. Students in the major universities taking the side of Hamas against Israel. This is the anti-Semitism that is in the groundwater of human culture, fed by Satan himself, taking every effort to destroy Israel, even the Messiah and to thwart his Kingdom.” John MacArthur (after the October 7, 2023 massacre)
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All well and good until you realize that you're looking at a counterfeit Israel.

I see no future for the Jews as a nation. Their King has come. But if there is to be a mass conversion of Jews some time in the future, it will look like this

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Not this
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“Netanyahu is not an authentic Jew. He is a scoundrel who comes from Poland. This is not a religious conflict. The conflict that exists since the foundation of Israel is a geopolitical conflict because that state was created to conquer the entire Middle East and Central Asia, to take away their riches and colonize those peoples. It is the Zionists that they say goes from the Jordan River to the Euphrates and beyond." Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela

https://twitter.com/x/status/1953589217033904460

Maduro is a man who even the United Nations says is guilty of crimes against humanity, and who has a 50 million dollar reward on him by the United States for using foreign terrorist organizations like TDA, Sinaloa, and Cartel of the Sons to bring deadly drugs and violence into our country. Venezuela is over 6,500 miles away from Israel and yet he hates the Jews just as much as Ekklesian™ (a Christian™) and claims “the Jews created the state of Israel in order to conquer the entire Middle East.” What Maduro fails to realize is that the return of the Jews and the reestablishment of the nation of Israel was prophesied centuries before the birth of Christ by Isaiah, Amos, and others. The NT Church could not be the fulfillment of the unconditional promises to Abraham’s descendants because the apostle Paul not only spoke of the nation of Israel being cut off, but of their being “grafted in again” and being “saved” (Rom 11:23, 26) which is yet future. We can disagree on that point without killing each other.

Ray Comfort is of Jewish heritage who believes in a form of “dispensationalism” and yet he is close friends with Vodie Baucham and other Reformed leaders who believe differently than he does concerning the Church and Israel. I applaud Martin Luther on his stand of salvation by faith alone and his breaking away from Roman Catholicism but when he comes up with the question, "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews" with the following and Ekklesian™ (a Christian™) refuses to even denounce such language...This language was not metaphorical.

"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools ... This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …" (So that God might see that we are Christians?)
  • "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed." (Kristallnacht? There is nothing just or Christian about this)
  • "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them." (Its obvious Ekklesian™ [a Christian™] rejects freedom of religion but supports a theocracy)
  • "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …" (Obviously Ekklesian™ [a Christian™] believes in mutilation)
  • "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …" (No compassion, no love at all for these people, just utter contempt)
  • "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …" (Ekklesian™ [a Christian™] believes Christians are justified to steal from others)
  • "Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow ... But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., ... then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., ... then eject them forever from the country …" (Ekklesian™ wants to bring back slavery and expunge them not unlike what Hitler wanted to do. Of course that is nothing more than "common sense" to Ekklesian™ [a Christian™])
 
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Ekklesian said:
Oh c'mon. If you can't be witty, at least be flamboyant...


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There was nothing witty about the vile things Luther said about the Jews nor is there anything "Christian" about you not denouncing such vile language.
 
biscuit1953 said:
There was nothing witty about the vile things Luther said about the Jews nor is there anything "Christian" about you not denouncing such vile language.
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Have you denounced the vile things the Talmud says of Christ and His mother? Those are the things Luther was responding to mostly, and to the curses with with the Jews of his day were greeting the Christians.

Do you think Luther was making those things up?

You also have to remember, that in Luther's day, the civil government enforced Christian dogma and orthodoxy. And to whom was Luther writing?
 
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It's clear that Netanyahu wanted this war, opposing, as he always has, a Palestinian state. It's reported that he worked to support Hamas control in Gaza over the less militant Palesinian Authority knowing that maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

www.timesofisrael.com

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset.​
 
biscuit1953 said:
“Netanyahu is not an authentic Jew. He is a scoundrel who comes from Poland. This is not a religious conflict. The conflict that exists since the foundation of Israel is a geopolitical conflict because that state was created to conquer the entire Middle East and Central Asia, to take away their riches and colonize those peoples. It is the Zionists that they say goes from the Jordan River to the Euphrates and beyond." Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela
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This orthodox rabbi seems to agree with that opinion. Maybe Trump should put a price on his head too.

Who is the personification of anti-semitism if not the Zionist state of Israel, that is killing Palestinians, and beating and killing and assassinating rabbis and Jews, and causing a hate a rift between Jews and Muslims. They exacerbate this hate, that was never there. ​
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So who should be deemed—what should be the textbook definition of—anti-semitism if not the Zionist state of Israel?​
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Ekklesian said:
Sure thought you'd be all over Trump's attempt to deny disaster relief to any who boycotted IsraelTM.

You fault Luther for his appeal to the state to bear the sword against antichrist teaching, and yet you support a bounty on any who dare speak up against Zionism?

Luther has this on his side, he never advocated for the arrest of any law-abiding Jew, but you advocate for the arrest of someone who speaks up against Zionism?

Little do you see that you've just validated the international court's arrest warrant for...anyone...including Netanyahu.

Trump is now just Bibi's bitch. Sad.

Looks like you are too. *heavy sigh*
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Conspiracy Theories: The KKK, and many other White supremacist groups, subscribe to conspiracy theories like the “Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG), which posits that a cabal of Jews secretly control the US government, media, and economy, and that their orders come from Israel.

Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

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“Jewish Supremacism”: Former KKK leader David Duke has voiced support for anti-Israel efforts and those who he claims will “save us from Jewish supremacism". Duke has asserted that both "our country" and Palestinians are "being genocided" by "Jewish supremacism". This view aligns with the KKK's long-held antisemitic belief that Jews are seeking global control.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/17/us-news/kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-sides-with-anti-israel-protesters/

David Duke claims to be a “born again” Christian just like you but he still believes in the supremacy of the White race and is closely associated with Stormfront which is nothing more than a Neo-Nazi group that hates Jews. There is nothing wrong with believing in Covenant Theology and believing that Israel has been replaced by the Church but that doesn’t give you a cloak to constantly espouse hateful conspiracy theories. Martin Luther did many good things but you can’t muster up enough courage to denounce the nasty anti-Christian things he said in a book that Hitler used to justify exterminating a race of people "so that God might see that we are Christians" ... I’ll just be plain. You’re a damn racist!
 
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"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews"

Martin Luther - “I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"

“I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."

“I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"

“So that God might see that we are Christians”

Ekklesian™ - I approve this message.

* Jewish girl at UCLA sent to the ER after being beaten unconscious by pro-Palestine protesters.

* The girl was surrounded by 5 people.

* She suffered a concussion and was unable to recognize her family when she initially woke up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785457052028117153
 
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