Courtship: Finally getting the criticism it needed

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http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-fundamentally-flawed/

I have never been a fan and have always rejected courtship as biblical.
 
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http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-fundamentally-flawed/

I have never been a fan and have always rejected courtship as biblical.

There's a lot I could say about that. I have friends, their kids are all unmarried. The two oldest at least are in their thirties, not sure about the third child. Only the oldest son has left home, the others are still at home, and only the second son is working-and that's at his dad's business. I feel bad, especially for the girls. They're a really sweet family, but this teaching on courtship has left their kids without mates. Unless the kids get up and leave home and their church, I doubt they'll ever get married. I don't particularly care as much about the Josh Harris courtship model, as I do the more strict versions of courtship.
 
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http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-fundamentally-flawed/

I have never been a fan and have always rejected courtship as biblical.

Very interesting. Have been skeptical and counselled against it. Had several visiting families (home schoolers) move on because of my position on it and some other things. Seen some parallels to what is in the link but nothing this well presented.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Part of the problem is that this Courtship fad was started by a 20 something newly wed.

Well, the fad in wider evangelism, yes. The fad in more conservative circles wasn't really started by him.
 
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Dunkard said:
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Part of the problem is that this Courtship fad was started by a 20 something newly wed.

Well, the fad in wider evangelism, yes. The fad in more conservative circles wasn't really started by him.
Who else?

In more conservative groups-IFB, some Mennonite, and other conservative churches(particularly where homeschooling is prevalent-been a big thing in Gothard circles), SM Davis has been the go-to guy on courtship for some years. I believe that he got started on the topic when his daughter got to be around 16, and he has been preaching courtship since at least the mid-80's I believe. His style of courtship is much more extreme than Harris. Courtship includes the dowry, the bride price, etc.
 
I'm certainly no proponent of courtship, and I lived through its "peak" in conservative evangelical circles when I was a teenager (I was born in the early '80s). My first exposure was a book called Of Knights and Fair Maidens by Jeff Myers
http://www.amazon.com/Knights-Fair-Maidens-Danielle-Myers/dp/193013309X (Amazon says the first edition is from 2009, but I read the book in 1996, so I have a hard time believing that!).

So first the good. The book really convinced me not to date in high school, and I didn't. I had a really awesome circle of friends that included boys and girls, and I like to think I had more fun than if I had been tied to someone who, chances are, would never have been my wife anyway.

Now the bad. Fortunately, by the time I got to college, although Joshua Harris was in high demand, the fact that we were all hours away from home made the type of Strict Courtship we're talking about here nearly impossible. However, the whole idea of "only date your mate" had so saturated my small Christian college that people were nearly terrified to be seen alone with someone, for fear that people would assume you were moments away from engagement.

However, in some rare extreme cases, I think the courtship mentality infected some to the point where they thought as long as the were Christian and opposite sex they should be able to just "will themselves to love each other" (Because real love is a choice and not an emotion). That blurred reality lead to some interesting pairings (and breakups).
 
I know of young, smart young women who have been denied the opportunity to go off to college because it would not allow for their father to control them via courtship. It is a horrible thing to do to a woman.
 
Courtship seems like it might be permissible to a 18-20 year-old gals for whom going away to school isn't a viable option. Encouraging those out of the house and working though to kiss dating goodbye seems ill advised.

In the 1990s, I recall going out for coffee after a Saturday church seminar with a woman in her 30s (on her own and working). Things went well, so I called her and asked her out for an evening date. She told me that even though we had shared a coffee, she did not date (in the sense of a I'll-come-by-and-pick-you-up at 6:00 type of thing) unless she knew someone well (as I recall) and instead practiced courting instead of dating. At the time, it was disappointing because I was interested in her yet couldn't help but wonder: how do we really get to know each other if we don't actually date?   
 
Courtship is not something I bother to criticize or even think about. It doesn't exist in my culture. I don't know anybody who does it. I don't even know anybody who knows anybody who does it.
 
Izdaari said:
Courtship is not something I bother to criticize or even think about. It doesn't exist in my culture. I don't know anybody who does it. I don't even know anybody who knows anybody who does it.

Sounds like you've lead a sheltered life, Izdaari <insert grin>. Even though I grew up IFB and attended IFB colleges, courtship was not something I encountered. Double dating was something I did throughout high school and at IFB colleges. Perhaps oddly enough, it was only  after being well out on my own in my 30s that I encountered courtship in an evangelical Presbyterian church and in a Baptist church associated with the National Association of Evangelicals. 
 
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