Daniel's 70th Week and President Trump's Peace Plan

illinoisguy said:
I hold earned Master of Theology and Doctor of Philosophy in Religion degrees, and my master's thesis and doctoral dissertation have been posted on the Internet and translated into foreign languages.
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Very cool! I’m trying to remember, are you the retired pastor?
 
biscuit1953 said:
I suppose if you worship a man whether it be Calvin or anyone else, you can become unhinged if someone dares disagree with your personal views.
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Says the one whose brain goes into autopilot and starts spewing about John MacArthur, R. C. Sproul, Matthew 24, worshipping Calvin, and agreeing to disagree very time your personal views are challenged. You could make a Bingo card from your talking points.

I really don’t understand your condemning everyone who disagrees with your interpretation.
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You just expect your personal opinions to get a free pass because you can't defend them biblically.
 
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DrHuk&Duck said:
Trust me, none of these guys hanging around this forum have doctoral degrees in theology (or probably anything
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biscuit1953 said:
Footnote: Your can have every kind of degree in the world and still be wrong.
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So... can non-Dispensatonal opinions be dismissed because we don't have the proper credentials, or in spite of them?
 
biscuit1953 said:
Rom 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

Paul tells us that Satan being crushed under our feet is future. God is sovereign but Satan is currently the god of this world who blinds the eyes of unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Cor 4:4).

It isn’t until the 7th trumpet blows in Revelation that the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ, “and he shall reign for ever and ever” (Rev 11:15).

Currently Satan is the god of this world who opposes God. But some day in the future Satan will be bound and Christ will reign in righteousness with a rod of iron for 1000 years and there will be peace throughout this world (Rev 20: 1-6).
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You didn't watch the video I posted, did you? It's only 18 minutes.
 
illinoisguy said:
Dispensationalism depicts Christ as a loser who failed to bring in the Kingdom at His first advent, but the New Testament describes Him as a winner: "
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Per Clarence Larkin, had the Jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah, Daniel's 70th week would have followed directly after the 69th. But since they rejected him, the Kingdom was postponed, which is why the prophetic clock has stopped.

It reminds me of all the Cold War-era prophecy books that saw the Soviet Union as the major power that would oppose Israel in the last days. Then the Soviet Union fell. Oops! No Rapture today, folks. Hal Lindsey didn't see that one coming.

The implication of this goes beyond Jesus failing in his mission to inaugurate his kingdom. It says that the decrees of God can be confounded by human activity. And if that's the case, then how can we have any confidence at all that God's redemptive plan will ever be carried out?
 
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Ransom said:
Per Clarence Larkin, had the Jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah, Daniel's 70th week would have followed directly after the 69th. But since they rejected him,
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I don't accept everything Clarence Larkin said any more than I accept everything Calvin said.
 

"Give Me that End-Time Religion"​

Cries of warning of terrible danger posed by Middle East peace are nothing new - any time that anyone proposes any sort of peace agreement that might benefit Israelis and Arabs in the Middle East, the dispensationalists rally against it:

Give Me that End-Time Religion: The Politicization of Prophetic Belief in Contemporary America | Reflections

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"In this context, the prophecy brigade bristles whenever Mideast peace threatens to break out. Criticizing a short-lived 1998 agreement based on the principle of land for peace, the prophecy magazine Midnight Call declared: 'What we are witnessing … is … the stripping of the Holy Land from its rightful owners, the Jews. The Bible calls it a "covenant with hell."'. . .

"Pat Robertson, burned by controversies over his off-the-cuff pronouncements, more cautiously voices 'some reservations … about what may happen. I am afraid that the Israelis may be pressured into making a peace.'. . .

"The dispensationalists’ supposedly biblical eschatology appeals to a public that reveres the Bible but knows little of hermeneutics or the dismal record of failed prophecies. . . .

"The religious beliefs that millions of citizens 'care about most deeply' and bring to the political arena lead them to attack international peacekeeping efforts, to fight attempts to resolve specific conflicts such as the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, and to predict—indeed to welcome—a coming apocalypse involving the mass extermination of millions. Far from being marginalized, these beliefs are pumped into the public arena by high elected officials and pious hucksters, only loosely tethered by denominational or institutional ties, using all the techniques of today’s mass media and mass marketing."
 
illinoisguy said:

"Give Me that End-Time Religion"​

Cries of warning of terrible danger posed by Middle East peace are nothing new - any time that anyone proposes any sort of peace agreement that might benefit Israelis and Arabs in the Middle East, the dispensationalists rally against it:

Give Me that End-Time Religion: The Politicization of Prophetic Belief in Contemporary America | Reflections

reflections.yale.edu reflections.yale.edu

"In this context, the prophecy brigade bristles whenever Mideast peace threatens to break out. Criticizing a short-lived 1998 agreement based on the principle of land for peace, the prophecy magazine Midnight Call declared: 'What we are witnessing … is … the stripping of the Holy Land from its rightful owners, the Jews. The Bible calls it a "covenant with hell."'. . .

"Pat Robertson, burned by controversies over his off-the-cuff pronouncements, more cautiously voices 'some reservations … about what may happen. I am afraid that the Israelis may be pressured into making a peace.'. . .

"The dispensationalists’ supposedly biblical eschatology appeals to a public that reveres the Bible but knows little of hermeneutics or the dismal record of failed prophecies. . . .

"The religious beliefs that millions of citizens 'care about most deeply' and bring to the political arena lead them to attack international peacekeeping efforts, to fight attempts to resolve specific conflicts such as the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, and to predict—indeed to welcome—a coming apocalypse involving the mass extermination of millions. Far from being marginalized, these beliefs are pumped into the public arena by high elected officials and pious hucksters, only loosely tethered by denominational or institutional ties, using all the techniques of today’s mass media and mass marketing."
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I don’t recall Pat Robertson or other Christian leaders of the past 50 years agreeing with putting someone to death because of their theological views. Dispensationalists are diverse just as Calvinists are diverse. John MacArthur should not be put in the same mold as Pat Robertson any more than Doug Wilson should be the face of Reformed Christians.
 
One reason why so many dispensationalists oppose and warn against any peace agreement between Israel and the Arabs is because they have been teaching that "there can be no peace in the Middle East until Christ returns." Any peace treaty or agreement between Israel and Arabs would tend to discredit their dispensational prophecy speculations, so to protect their credibility, they lobby against all such peace treaties and they ask their followers to lobby their Congressmen against them.

Here is an example of such teaching: "We could admire our politicians who want to bring peace to the Middle East, but my contention this morning is that there will be no peace in the Middle East. There may be a truce, so we’re glad that they can work toward a cessation of hostilities that will last for a while, but ultimately there can be no peace in the Middle East until the triumph of Jesus Christ to the city of Jerusalem and specifically to the Mount of Olives." - Erwin Lutzer, pastor, Moody Memorial Church, Chicago, Illinois, preached on March 3, 2013.

Dispensationalist prophecy buffs commonly teach that 2/3 of all the Jews have to die before Christ can return and bring peace to the Holy Land. Any lasting peace agreement to protect Israel would call that, and all their other bloodthirsty Armageddon Theology scenarios, into question, and would presumably put the Second Coming on an indefinite hold until such time as the peace agreement falls apart, and everybody over there can go back to killing each other.
 
illinoisguy said:
One reason why so many dispensationalists oppose and warn against any peace agreement between Israel and the Arabs is because they have been teaching that "there can be no peace in the Middle East until Christ returns." Any peace treaty or agreement between Israel and Arabs would tend to discredit their dispensational prophecy speculations, so to protect their credibility, they lobby against all such peace treaties and they ask their followers to lobby their Congressmen against them.

Here is an example of such teaching: "We could admire our politicians who want to bring peace to the Middle East, but my contention this morning is that there will be no peace in the Middle East. There may be a truce, so we’re glad that they can work toward a cessation of hostilities that will last for a while, but ultimately there can be no peace in the Middle East until the triumph of Jesus Christ to the city of Jerusalem and specifically to the Mount of Olives." - Erwin Lutzer, pastor, Moody Memorial Church, Chicago, Illinois, preached on March 3, 2013.

Dispensationalist prophecy buffs commonly teach that 2/3 of all the Jews have to die before Christ can return and bring peace to the Holy Land. Any lasting peace agreement to protect Israel would call that, and all their other bloodthirsty Armageddon Theology scenarios, into question, and would presumably put the Second Coming on an indefinite hold until such time as the peace agreement falls apart, and everybody over there can go back to killing each other.
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"We could admire our politicians who want to bring peace to the Middle East, but my contention this morning is that there will be no peace in the Middle East. There may be a truce, so we’re glad that they can work toward a cessation of hostilities that will last for a while, but ultimately there can be no peace in the Middle East until the triumph of Jesus Christ to the city of Jerusalem and specifically to the Mount of Olives." - Erwin Lutzer, pastor, Moody Memorial Church, Chicago, Illinois, preached on March 3, 2013.

That is my understanding of Bible prophecy.
 
Ransom said:
So... can non-Dispensatonal opinions be dismissed because we don't have the proper credentials, or in spite of them?
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Aren’t there Thd’s on both sides of the issue? That’s my point. His opinion is valid.
 
illinoisguy said:
One reason why so many dispensationalists oppose and warn against any peace agreement between Israel and the Arabs is because they have been teaching that "there can be no peace in the Middle East until Christ returns." Any peace treaty or agreement between Israel and Arabs would tend to discredit their dispensational prophecy speculations, so to protect their credibility, they lobby against all such peace treaties and they ask their followers to lobby their Congressmen against them.

Here is an example of such teaching: "We could admire our politicians who want to bring peace to the Middle East, but my contention this morning is that there will be no peace in the Middle East. There may be a truce, so we’re glad that they can work toward a cessation of hostilities that will last for a while, but ultimately there can be no peace in the Middle East until the triumph of Jesus Christ to the city of Jerusalem and specifically to the Mount of Olives." - Erwin Lutzer, pastor, Moody Memorial Church, Chicago, Illinois, preached on March 3, 2013.
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How do you get let Lutzer's statement is a warning against peace agreements? I read it as a caution to not expect long-lasting peace until the Prince of Peace returns.
illinoisguy said:
Dispensationalist prophecy buffs commonly teach that 2/3 of all the Jews have to die before Christ can return and bring peace to the Holy Land. Any lasting peace agreement to protect Israel would call that, and all their other bloodthirsty Armageddon Theology scenarios, into question, and would presumably put the Second Coming on an indefinite hold until such time as the peace agreement falls apart, and everybody over there can go back to killing each other.
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I'm not familiar with the 2/3 thing. Could you cite sources please?
 
I'm Pre-trib/Pre-mill cause it's the only thing that makes any sense at all

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Trump is not the anti-Christ


But that's just me
 
Bob H said:
Trump is not the anti-Christ
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I agree. I was always under the impression that the antichrist would be a very non-divisive person who will fool the world. Trump is the antithesis of such a personality. I kind of always figured he’ll be such a smooth operator that he’ll fool most Christians, at least for a period of time.
 
ALAYMAN said:
How do you get let Lutzer's statement is a warning against peace agreements? I read it as a caution to not expect long-lasting peace until the Prince of Peace returns.

I'm not familiar with the 2/3 thing. Could you cite sources please?
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According to Zechariah 13:8-9 two thirds of the Jewish people will die in the great tribulation period. It is a time of "Jacob's Trouble" (Jer 30:7). At the end of this period the Jews will recognize their Messiah whom they crucified (Zech 12:10).
 
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