Did the Holy Spirit abandon Saul?

[treasure_unseen]

Some traditions are good. Most are bad. Scriptural traditions are good. Man made traditions are bad. Most people will not put the time and effort in to learn the difference. People want to be feed a fast meal. They want to believe what someone else teaches rather than build their own theology brick by brick beginning with the ONLY foundation that has ever been laid. Jesus Christ. God began laying that foundation in eternity past with the express intent to make man in His image and after His likeness. A people in the express image of His Person. A person in their theology must begin with Jesus Christ. He must have the preeminence in all things. That work didn't begin at Calvary nor in the Incarnation. It began before this world was ever formed.... and from the ashes of destruction/judgement, God took some ashes/dirt, a little water, and His all consuming breath and imparted life to Adam. Yet, Adam was incomplete and NOT what time and God's efforts would bring him to be. As witnesses looked on, God did what no man nor creature could ever do. He "showed off" in taking what was defeated, overcome and destitute........turning it into a creation to His Glory. This is where dispensationalism so horribly fails to adequately address God's actions in humanity. If you know dispensational teachings, you can't help but get the sense from its teachings that God somehow was making things up as He went along. That at every turn He was holding back vital information necessary to His creation to know Him. Nothing could be further from the Truth. More Truth has been lost throughout the generation of man by sin than has ever found its way into the canonical Scriptures. Over and over again, man rejected God's council and despised His ways..... and such is the ways of man made traditions replacing God's purpose.

When Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit "lighted" upon Him. The Spirit of God was confined to the Person of Jesus Christ from that day forward. When Jesus told his disciples that He must go away so the comforter would come. He was telling the Truth. The Spirit of God was IN... Jesus Christ. Such is witnessed by Jesus's own words of how "he had keep them" (his disciples) while he was in this world. Dispensationalist will point to such things and regurgitate their man made traditions over and over as if they could ever replace the Scriptures. God has never abandon one of His Own. Never. When Jesus said "I will never leave thee or forsake thee".... it was statement to God's Eternal Immutability and Divine Character. His NEVER CHANGING lovingkindness in humanity. Jesus was ONE with the Father. The Holy Trinity in full agreement and Diving purpose. The Heir of all thing, complete, standing right in front of mankind.

Saul was judged by God as child of the King. For whom is a son that is not chased of the Lord? He SCOURGES every son He receives. When the Scriptures say "departed" it wasn't about "abandonment"... it was about approval. God no longer approved of Saul. Yet Saul was vexed. So horribly vexed as a child of the King. What child of the King wouldn't be?

Those who don't know the Lord wouldn't care........

 

[FSSL]

it was about approval. God no longer approved of Saul.

Bingo! The Holy Spirit no longer equipped Saul to lead the nation of Israel. The Holy Spirit giftedness of Judges and Kings to rule is evident throughout the OT. Equating the Gift of leading the Kingdom is substantially different from the Holy Spirit Indwelling.

When the Holy Spirit stopped equipping Saul to lead... upon whom did the Spirit gift? When Samuel anointed David... "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Would UGC say that this anointing was David's Salvation?

 

[UGC]

Wow, that's a lot of paragraphs in your attempt to whitewash your HUGE mistake. Meanwhile FSSL just keeps digging himself deeper.

Your original statement that was proven false: "The Holy Spirit permanently in-dwelt all believers in the OT just like the NT, therefore it never left them, whether for disapproval or anything else, it NEVER left them, because it PERMANENTLY in-dwelt them JUST LIKE IN THE NT, NO DIFFERENCE, NO DISPENSATIONALISM, REMEMBER."
Fact: The Holy Spirit did not permanently IN-DWELL Saul, as it LEFT HIM for a time after being with him.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Wow, that's a lot of paragraphs in your attempt to whitewash your HUGE mistake. Meanwhile FSSL just keeps digging himself deeper.

Your original statement that was proven false: "The Holy Spirit permanently in-dwelt all believers in the OT just like the NT, therefore it never left them."
Fact: The Holy Spirit did not permanently IN-DWELL Saul, as it LEFT HIM for a time after being with him.

I don't see a single word trying to deal with what we've said. Not one. You just keep repeating yourself as if it were a defense of any kind.

 

[FSSL]

^^ apparently this is all new to UGC. He thinks David got saved when Samuel anointed.
He is incapable of giving a cogent, concise reply.

 

[UGC]

This is for everyone else, you guys keep lying as a witness against yourselves.

The title of the thread started before this one created by treasure_unseen:

"PERMANENT" and "COMPLETE INDWELLING".

"Enter the false doctrine that the Holy Spirit only permanently and completely dwelt in believers... AFTER Pentecost. Well I know that is false. You know why? I know the Scriptures well enough to believe them over what someone says about them." -treasure_unseen


Yes, "unseen", the Holy Spirit absolutely did permanently and completely in-dwell believers after Pentecost, however in the OT you have now changed your story as you clearly admit the Holy Spirit LEFT Saul because God "disapproved" of him at that time.

Do continue to lie to all of us to sweep this under the rug so we can all know not to believe any doctrine you or FSSL holds to.
Chronic liars.

 

[UGC]

"...and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them." -1 Sam. 10:10
"But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him." -1 Sam. 16:14


Keep lying, these posts are not for you, they're for everyone who reads and doesn't post. They know. They all know.

 

[Ransom]

Please pardon the UGC Wonder Twins. Being cartoons, they can only think and express themselves in cartoons.

 

[Twisted]

I don't see a single word trying to deal with what we've said. Not one. You just keep repeating yourself as if it were a defense of any kind.

I believe he's repeating what YOU said, and you keep ignoring it.

 

[treasure_unseen]

I believe he's repeating what YOU said, and you keep ignoring it.

Can you be specfic? What did he repeat that I'm ignoring. I started a thread to please him and give him an opportunity to deal with my answer.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Yes, "unseen", the Holy Spirit absolutely did permanently and completely in-dwell believers after Pentecost, however in the OT you have now changed your story as you clearly admit the Holy Spirit LEFT Saul because God "disapproved" of him at that time.

I never said the Spirit of God left Saul. You're the one lying. Not me. Anyone can tell what my position is.

Do continue to lie to all of us to sweep this under the rug so we can all know not to believe any doctrine you or FSSL holds to.
Chronic liars.

I have consistently taken the position that the Holy Spirit did not abandon Saul. Your comments concerning my position is a fabrication. Which common with people like yourself. When you can't adequately deal with an issue you form a false narrative concerning the position. Even a child can see what you're doing.

Oh.... bye the way. Children think they've perfected things too. Adults usually release just how many mistakes they've made.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Please pardon the UGC Wonder Twins. Being cartoons, they can only think and express themselves in cartoons.

It certainly explains their standing as a novice.

 

[Twisted]

This is for everyone else, you guys keep lying as a witness against yourselves.

The title of the thread started before this one created by treasure_unseen:
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"PERMANENT" and "COMPLETE INDWELLING".

Possibly "permanent" has other meanings?

Judges 14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle.

Judges 16:20 And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.

I'm posting this just to say that I've never heard anyone argue that the HS "indwelled" OT believers. How would that even be possible?

The OT believer only had one nature, his flesh. Sinful and wicked. The HS certainly would not "indwell" them. He would rest "upon" them.

This back-and-forth nonsense shows that many have little to no idea of the nature of man and the power of God that we receive through the new birth. A believer today has 2 natures. Yes, some will argue that. Let'em.

The HS indwells us NOW because of the new birth, which "spiritually circumcises" us. Each believer has within him a place "made without hands" that is sinless and the HS indwells. This is why we have a daily battle between our saved spirit and our flesh. No OT saint had any such struggle.

While you throw rocks at each other, I'm gonna REJOICE at the goodness of God and His mercy.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Possibly "permanent" has other meanings?

Judges 14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle.

Judges 16:20 And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.

I figured Samson would be next. Why are you wanting to run from Saul? Do you see the weak argument presented against Saul.

Personally, I believe you should be down right scared to say one of God children was abandoned by God. You're not God. They don't answer to you. God work in them is wondrous and purposeful. God loves ALL His little children and here you are trying to cast one of them out. You should be afraid.

I'm posting this just to say that I've never heard anyone argue that the HS "indwelled" OT believers. How would that even be possible?

That shows that you really don't even have a rudimentary grasp of theology. All you've ever considered is what you've heard from your friends and fellow companions.

Maybe you'll remember this Scripture.

Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

The OT believer only had one nature, his flesh. Sinful and wicked. The HS certainly would not "indwell" them. He would rest "upon" them.

Oh. He would NOT dwell in him but he would just rest upon them because of sin... .Do you know how silly that is? Just what is the difference? If sin contaminates then their would be no difference between resting and dwelling.

This back-and-forth nonsense shows that many have little to no idea of the nature of man and the power of God that we receive through the new birth. A believer today has 2 natures. Yes, some will argue that. Let'em.

Nicodemus was born again. John the Baptist was born from above. Abraham was born from above. Do you even know why Hebrews were circumcised the eightieth day? Not the seventh. Not the first day. Its all about NEW LIFE. Maybe you'll believe Paul when he spoke of Abraham receiving the seal circumcision that witness to his inner change.

Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

The HS indwells us NOW because of the new birth, which "spiritually circumcises" us. Each believer has within him a place "made without hands" that is sinless and the HS indwells. This is why we have a daily battle between our saved spirit and our flesh. No OT saint had any such struggle.

Everytime I see something like this I just can't help but laugh. Do you really believe the OT saints didn't struggle with the enmity between the flesh and the Spirit?

So much for the words of James.....

Jas 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

Do you see those words concerning Elias?... LIKE PASSIONS.... Believe the Scripture.

While you throw rocks at each other, I'm gonna REJOICE at the goodness of God and His mercy.

For yourself I see. You're so much better than Abraham. So blessed to have something that Abraham didn't have....... Geesh. So self centered and void of humility. Dispensational nonsense has made you prideful and arrogant.

 

[UGC]

Being cartoons, they can only think and express themselves in cartoons.

Memes. This is the internet in the year 2020, Ransom.

Why are you wanting to run from Saul?

...Is this guy serious right now.

Dude, no one believes you. We can all clearly read where the Bible says the Holy Spirit departed from Saul.

 

[Twisted]

Everytime I see something like this I just can't help but laugh. Do you really believe the OT saints didn't struggle with the enmity between the flesh and the Spirit?

I'll grant you that one. Good job.

 

[UGC]

Don't grant them anything. These people are delusional and need to be proven wrong for once in their lives to break their massive pride.

Are you seriously going to such great, magical lengths to avoid the fact that the Holy Spirit departed from Saul?

It's OK to be wrong guys. It's not the end of the world.
You look more foolish and silly doing what you're doing now.

 

[Twisted]

Don't grant them anything. These people are delusional and need to be proven wrong for once in their lives to break their massive pride.

Delusional? Did you read what he said? I quote scripture and I'm to "be afraid"? When I start to not believe what God wrote, then I should be afraid. And this loon thinks that God taking His Holy Spirit off Sampson, back on Sampson, then off again is being "abandoned by God". Absolutely no clue how God is operating here.

Do what you want, UGC, but honestly, you're wasting your time here. Go make more great videos and help people who want to be helped.

Personally, I believe you should be down right scared to say one of God children was abandoned by God. You're not God. They don't answer to you. God work in them is wondrous and purposeful. God loves ALL His little children and here you are trying to cast one of them out. You should be afraid.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Dude, no one believes you. We can all clearly read where the Bible says the Holy Spirit departed from Saul.

Do you even know what the Greek and Hebrew sources say?

Depart doesn't equal abandonment. Nor does depart reference the Spirit, Itself, leaving Saul. We've tried to explain that to you with good common sense and good biblical/Scriptural instruction. However, you prefer the systematic theology that you've "perfected" to the Scriptures.

I wish you wouldn't make that choice. It is a bad choice. You should believe the Truth.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Delusional? Did you read what he said? I quote scripture and I'm to "be afraid"? When I start to not believe what God wrote, then I should be afraid.

God said HE would never leave nor forsake His own. Why don't you believe this? This is expression of His Divine and Immutable Character. Do you know what Immutability is?

God does NOT change. Never has. Never will. He has no need of change. God didn't treat His children differently. Which is what is unique about Christianity. There is no other religion among men that makes all men equal.

And this loon thinks that God taking His Holy Spirit off Sampson, back on Sampson, then off again is being "abandoned by God". Absolutely no clue how God is operating here.

Sampson didn't lose the Spirit. The powerful manifestation of the Spirit is what Sampson lost......

Just like when a NT child of God isn't in fellowship with God. They lose their power. They can lose their position and place in the assembly but they will never be abandoned by God. Never.

Do what you want, UGC, but honestly, you're wasting your time here. Go make more great videos and help people who want to be helped.

Yep. I've meet those who carry their cheerleaders around with them. They love to scream and holler for their team but you let someone start telling the Truth....and its "move on".... "nothing to see here"....