Did the Holy Spirit abandon Saul?

*eating popcorn rn* just wait till Complete Dispensationalism covers the book of Hebrews.

Calvinism will be dead forever. Heretical works salvation "Perseverance" doctrine sending many to hell.
 
UGC said:
Eternal security is a Free Grace doctrine. Not a Calvinist doctrine. The Calvinists have a paradoxical view they'd like to call "Eternal Security", but it is dependent on their works therefore it's not eternal security:


The New Calvinists are even bigger legalists than the IFB, they just do it in a much more dangerous area: Salvation, not clothing or trailer park cults.
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I don't think it gets more secure than being born either damned or saved and your state never changes. Now they may try to identify who those elect are based on their interest in and what they do for God. But in their book your born with it or your not. In fact I've heard some extreme ones say they did not ever need to accept Christ since they were born with it or without it. Arminians disagree with eternal security but they teach that's what "perseverance of the saints" means.
 
tmjbog said:
and your state never changes.
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Context, though, is everything when it comes to not tainting the Gospel of Grace with works.

Seems like you don't understand the Baptism into Christ, the creation of the new man, and the fact that we still live in our old man and its sinful nature didn't change when we were placed into Christ.
 
UGC said:
Calvinism will be dead forever. Heretical works salvation "Perseverance" doctrine sending many to hell.
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How does it send them to Hell? If they have accepted Christ I thought they were eternally secure?
 
UGC said:
Context, though, is everything when it comes to not tainting the Gospel of Grace with works.

Seems like you don't understand the Baptism into Christ, the creation of the new man, and the fact that we still live in our old man and its state didn't change when we were placed into Christ.
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I don't think anyone is proclaiming the Wesleyan doctrine of sinless perfection. But if their is no change in your life after salvation - there is definitely reason to question it regardless of which system you subscribe to.
 
tmjbog said:
How does it send them to Hell? If they have accepted Christ I thought they were eternally secure?
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That is not what Calvinists or Arminians believe. They may pay lip service to that phrase, but immediately contradict themselves, here's how:


Calvinists believe they can't know for 100% certain whether they are one of the elect until after they've persevered to the end (all of my Calvinist friends have told me this), which is why they must be careful to keep working to persevere to the end in holy living, as their works are the verification that they were really justified to begin with,

but here's the key: they say God predestined you to work to the end, and since God controls everything and you have no free will, it's God making you work to the end. Guess what? You're still working for your salvation.


Calvinism is a paradox. Nothing more, nothing less. It is heresy.
In some regards, even Catholicism is better because at least Catholics are upfront and honest that they are works Salvationists and believe you must Persevere in good works to the end (they just don't believe in Calvin's INSANE made-up version of it).
Of course, UGC is 100% against Catholicism as well. Not the people, which we try to reach without barking them down and scaring them away, but the system.
 
UGC said:
That is not what Calvinists or Arminians believe. They may pay lip service to that phrase, but immediately contradict themselves, here's how:


Calvinists believe they can't know for 100% certain whether they are one of the elect until after they've persevered to the end (all of my Calvinist friends have told me this), which is why they must be careful to keep working to persevere to the end in holy living, as their works are the verification that they were really justified to begin with,

but here's the key: they say God predestined you to work to the end ahead of time, and since God controls everything and you have no free will, it's God making you work to the end. Guess what? You're still working for your salvation.


Calvinism is a paradox. Nothing more, nothing less. It is heresy.
In some regards, Catholicism is better because at least Catholics are upfront and honest that they are works Salvationists and believe you must Persevere in Good Works to the End (they just don't believe in Calvin's INSANE made-up version of it).
Of course, UGC is 100% against Catholicism as well. Not the people, which we try to reach without barking them down and scaring them away, but the system.
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I have people that try to tell me the same thing because I reject eternal security. Especially being at an IFB they are always trying to resave me. My question is always the same. Since I knew nothing of the doctrine of eternal security when I got saved, did I then lose my salvation 1.5 years later when I learned of the doctrine of eternal security and rejected it?

I'm sure many in the Calvinist churches knew little to nothing of their doctrines when they got saved. So later when they were trying to prove to themselves/others that their part of the elect did they lose their salvation?
 
tmjbog said:
Since I knew nothing of the doctrine of eternal security when I got saved, did I then lose my salvation 1.5 years later when I learned of the doctrine of eternal security and rejected it?
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If you were convicted that you are indeed a sinner, guilty before God, not a good person who doesn't need God, but a sinner who cannot do anything to save himself, placing your full trust on the finished work of the cross, that Jesus Christ paid for all your sins when he died, was buried, and rose again 3 days later, you are saved, and you are eternally secure whether you realize it or not. That's faith alone.

You are not saved, however, if all you did was make a commitment to reform your life and turn away from all your sins, all you did was promise God you would try harder to clean up your life. This is not really trusting that Christ's payment was good enough to cover everything without you having to do something on top of it. Trusting Christ's payment halfway and yourself with the other half is not trusting it at all.

I recommend Dr. Ralph Arnold's sermons. I sat under him for a little while when I began my training years ago.
 
UGC said:
That is not what Calvinists or Arminians believe. They may pay lip service to that phrase, but immediately contradict themselves, here's how:


Calvinists believe they can't know for 100% certain whether they are one of the elect until after they've persevered to the end (all of my Calvinist friends have told me this), which is why they must be careful to keep working to persevere to the end in holy living, as their works are the verification that they were really justified to begin with,

but here's the key: they say God predestined you to work to the end, and since God controls everything and you have no free will, it's God making you work to the end. Guess what? You're still working for your salvation.


Calvinism is a paradox. Nothing more, nothing less. It is heresy.
In some regards, even Catholicism is better because at least Catholics are upfront and honest that they are works Salvationists and believe you must Persevere in good works to the end (they just don't believe in Calvin's INSANE made-up version of it).
Of course, UGC is 100% against Catholicism as well. Not the people, which we try to reach without barking them down and scaring them away, but the system.
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So what would a Calvinist say about someone who served faithfully for 10 years then gave up and rejected God?
 
FSSL said:
I own Ryrie's Theology.
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Awesome! It's a shame you don't understand it.

I have a copy of, read, and actually understand Ryrie's book Dispensationalism, Revised and Expanded

Do tell us Ryrie's view on the Mysteries and why Progressive Dispensationalists have compromised in said area with a new hermeneutic that guides them closer to Reformed Covenant Theologians like Calvin.

After all, you own that Theology, son. You OWN it.
 
UGC said:
It's a shame you don't understand it.
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Then why depend on a YouTube anecdote?

You are the same person who claims to have the perfect version of the Bible, YET you are unable to give the simple meaning of the phrases “Holy Spirit came upon” and “Holy Spirit departed”.

Kim’s YouTube video not giving you enough information to understand the meaning and significance of the KJV?
 
FSSL said:
So... Read Ryrie's theology... Do you think that there were no "free grace" Calvinists?
Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.
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He's making it up as he goes. That is a problem with lies. They're usually a moment in time shallow expression that are easily forgotten.
 
Which is exactly why he cannot give the meaning, significance and application of the “Holy Spirit departed from Saul”

What good is a belief in a perfect 1600s Bible when you can’t even understand it and ignore other parts of it?
 
Ransom said:
Doctored quotations also prove you're a complete liar.
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Don't worry, UGC is going to run a full operation exposing this little "Fundamental Baptist Forum" front group you got going on here.

If you don't think we figured out a long time ago that you and FSSL are running this forum as a Psyop medium to funnel in and smear Dispensationalists, Baptist colleges, and KJV-O groups around the US via libel, false advertising, and harassment online, you keep spinning your obvious webs of lies.

This website in completely compromised in more ways than one.

It should be absolutely apparent to everyone that Classical Dispensationalism and the KJV-O position are an obvious threat to establishment Christianity, which is now globalist-compromised.
 
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