Dispensationalism.... when are they ever going to get it right?

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It seems there is no end to the man made systematic theology "called" Dispensationalism. You know how I know it is man made? It has never been stable. "Truth" that changes isn't Truth to begin with.

It seems there is always someone coming along with a convoluted explanation/version to deal with the inadequacies of said man made doctrine. Over and over again. Change after change. Why would anyone believe they've finally got it right?
 
treasure_unseen said:
It seems there is no end to the man made systematic theology "called" Dispensationalism. You know how I know it is man made? It has never been stable. "Truth" that changes isn't Truth to begin with.

It seems there is always someone coming along with a convoluted explanation/version to deal with the inadequacies of said man made doctrine. Over and over again. Change after change. Why would anyone believe they've finally got it right?
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Stay tuned for my video on triple refined, double sanctified, new (but not like the old new) dispensationalism. Jaws are going to drop.
 
Coming soon: my video on the Doctrine of Super-Duper X-treme Complete Dispensationalism! You don't even need to add water--just squeeze it right out of the bottle into the pan!
 
Any student of Historical Theology also notes changes/refinements through the centuries. It is the nature of biblical interpretation. That does not mean truth has changed. We are thousands of years from a culture that no longer exists, doing the best we can to understand what Abraham knew about the afterlife and what Zechariah knew about the coming Messiah.

Dispensationalism finds it's strength in approaching the biblical text with a normal (what used to be called "literal") interpretation. It focuses on making sure that we don't expect OT saints to have NT understandings. Unfortunately, some Dispensationalists carry this to extremes by ignoring overlapping OT truths.

Covenant Theology finds its strength in finding the overall, unifying message of the Bible. It's weaknesses are attributing too many of the OT promises/commands to the local church which were uniquely Israel's.

We can expect refinements over the years... UGC is not carving out new ground with their "Complete Dispensationalism." They believe they are staking out new ground in their Dispensationalism. They are actually taking what they want from others, mainly Ruckman.
 
FSSL said:
Any student of Historical Theology also notes changes/refinements through the centuries. It is the nature of biblical interpretation. That does not mean truth has changed. We are thousands of years from a culture that no longer exists, doing the best we can to understand what Abraham knew about the afterlife and what Zechariah knew about the coming Messiah.

Dispensationalism finds it's strength in approaching the biblical text with a normal (what used to be called "literal") interpretation. It focuses on making sure that we don't expect OT saints to have NT understandings. Unfortunately, some Dispensationalists carry this to extremes by ignoring overlapping OT truths.

Covenant Theology finds its strength in finding the overall, unifying message of the Bible. It's weaknesses are attributing too many of the OT promises/commands to the local church which were uniquely Israel's.

We can expect refinements over the years... UGC is not carving out new ground with their "Complete Dispensationalism." They believe they are staking out new ground in their Dispensationalism. They are actually taking what they want from others, mainly Ruckman.
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I wonder if he is trying to bring Ruckman's teachings in under his brand. It's weird how one moment he will claim he's not really a follower and the next moment race off to defend the ruckman doctrines. I know Ruckman warned missionaries and authors to hide their affiliation with him so they could sell books and raise support. Maybe he things he can sell the Ruckmanite ideology if can just divorce it from the Ruckman name?
 
FSSL said:
Any student of Historical Theology also notes changes/refinements through the centuries. It is the nature of biblical interpretation.
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Can you point to something specific? The apostle Paul said very clearly that he wasn't teaching anything new. That he was teaching exactly what Moses and Prophets taught. Paul's Gospel wasn't refined. It began with unchanging Truth and ended with unchanging Truth. I don't believe anyone can say otherwise.

That does not mean truth has changed. We are thousands of years from a culture that no longer exists, doing the best we can to understand what Abraham knew about the afterlife and what Zechariah knew about the coming Messiah.
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The apostles were thousands of years removed from creation/beginnings. What made the difference was divine authority and impartation of Truth. God doesn't change. The message has never changed. When you find change, you find man involved. Not God.

Dispensationalism finds it's strength in approaching the biblical text with a normal (what used to be called "literal") interpretation. It focuses on making sure that we don't expect OT saints to have NT understandings. Unfortunately, some Dispensationalists carry this to extremes by ignoring overlapping OT truths.
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Abraham knew more about God than the average dispensational theologian. Abraham knew God face to face. Just like Moses and others.

Covenant Theology finds its strength in finding the overall, unifying message of the Bible. It's weaknesses are attributing too many of the OT promises/commands to the local church which were uniquely Israel's.
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I'm not a Covenant Theologian but it is ridiculous to say that the Church of all ages are made of God' children of all ages and are NOT the descendants of the father of faith Abraham. You can try to Spiritualize that Truth as you please but it is literally true or its of no value. I am a descendant of faithful Abraham. I have as much right to be called his descendant as those who blaspheme the name of Jesus Christ. Yea. MORE so.

We can expect refinements over the years... UGC is not carving out new ground with their "Complete Dispensationalism." They believe they are staking out new ground in their Dispensationalism. They are actually taking what they want from others, mainly Ruckman.
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Double speak. Refinements are changes to a flawed system from the start. Calling them refinements doesn't change anything. God doesn't change.
 
treasure_unseen said:
"Truth" that changes isn't Truth to begin with.
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Truth doesn't change.

Ignoring truths in the Bible outside of just 1 verse is the problem; like thinking God compacted all the truths in the universe into just 1 little verse to make it easy for you.

Why don't you just x-acto knife that verse out of the Bible, laminate it, make it into a keychain, and throw the rest of your Bible in the garbage.

You don't need all those words.
 
FSSL said:
UGC is not carving out new ground with their "Complete Dispensationalism." They believe they are staking out new ground in their Dispensationalism. They are actually taking what they want from others, mainly Ruckman.
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Yeah sorry, that's wrong.

Ruckman didn't even make up his doctrines, he refined them from reading Classical Dispensationalists and Mid-Acts Dispensationalists.

You don't even know what Complete Dispensationalism entails because we haven't gotten to explaining the refinements in our doctrine yet.
Those specific refinements (not inventions, refinements) have nothing to do with anything Ruckman ever taught. Ever.


You assume a lot, a lot, ahead of time, before using your eyes or ears, before having evidence for your claims. Patience, young grasshopper.
 
It is my understanding that Dallas Theological Seminary, which was a leader in promoting classical Scofield dispensationalism (which many older saints regard as the last word in orthodox theology) has moved on from that and has been teaching Progressive Dispensationalism for some time. Some of the "dispensational truths," that we were carefully indoctrinated with, are no longer held to by the respected institutions that helped to indoctrinate them. A graduate of Dr. Robert Jordan's Calvary Baptist Theological Seminary in Lansdale, Pennsylvania (now defunct, closed in 2014) told me that that institution was also moving away from classical dispensationalism to Progressive Dispensationalism. Reliable sources have told me that Scofield dispensationalism is no longer emphasized at Bob Jones University or Moody Bible Institute.

Many of us, including me, were carefully indoctrinated in Scofield's version of how to "rightly divide the word of truth" but fundamentalists in general have quietly abandoned Scofield's narrow vision of "dispensational truth" and have moved on. I take that as a tacit admission that Scofield wasn't the gold standard of Biblical interpretation after all, and that we are now free to start thinking for ourselves. (With apologies to the devotees of Peter Ruckman who taught that Scofield was receiving "advanced revelation from the Holy Spirit" - I don't understand why Rucky gave so much credit to Scofield who was freely correcting the original KJV text and basing his theology on the work of Westcott and Hort. Why in the world would Rucky "refine" his doctrines from reading the work of a so-called "Alexandrian" Bible-correcting classical dispensationalist like Scofield?)
 
UGC said:
Truth doesn't change.

Ignoring truths in the Bible outside of just 1 verse is the problem; like thinking God compacted all the truths in the universe into just 1 little verse to make it easy for you.

Why don't you just x-acto knife that verse out of the Bible, laminate it, make it into a keychain, and throw the rest of your Bible in the garbage.

You don't need all those words.
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Not to forget the Books of Ruckman advanced revelations that can help you better understand the Bible (not to be compared to Book of Mormon).


In bragging up his book The Salient Verses, Mr. Ruckman makes these comments: “If you are able to obtain a copy [of Ruckman’s proposed new book] you will have, in your hands, a minimum of 200 advanced revelations that came from the inerrant English text, that were completely overlooked (or ignored) by every major Christian scholar since 90 A.D. (Peter Ruckman, Bible Believers’ Bulletin, Jan. 1994, pp. 2,4)
 
illinoisguy said:
has moved on from that and has been teaching Progressive Dispensationalism
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Yes, they are beginning to compromise away from the sound teachings of the brilliant Dr. Charles Ryrie, still noted as one of the greatest American theologians of all time. According to numerous churches they are now compromising into the mentally lazy, dumbed-down, mashed-potato theology of Covenant Theology.

Like going backwards from the discovery that an atom is made up of 3 parts: protons, neutrons, and electrons (each then broken down further into quarks like bosons) back to the belief that "That's heresy! You're DIVIDING the atom! The atom is a UNIFIED WHOLE, not DIVIDED into separate parts! It is the fundamental building block of all matter! UNITY CULT FOREVER! NO ISRAEL, NO CHURCH, JUST ONE."
 
How Dispensationalists diagram their analysis:
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Covenant Theologians:
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"Oo... I like this verse. No, don't show me the others, I like this one.
Silly Dispensationalists, DIVIDING and SEPARATING the unified whole."
 
UGC said:
Yes, they are beginning to compromise away from the sound teachings of the brilliant Dr. Charles Ryrie, still noted as one of the greatest American theologians of all time. According to numerous churches they are now compromising into the mentally lazy, dumbed-down, mashed-potato theology of Covenant Theology.

Like going backwards from the discovery that an atom is made up of 3 parts: protons, neutrons, and electrons (each then broken down further into quarks like bosons) back to the belief that "That's heresy! You're DIVIDING the atom! The atom is a UNIFIED WHOLE, not DIVIDED into separate parts! It is the fundamental building block of all matter! UNITY CULT FOREVER! NO ISRAEL, NO CHURCH, JUST ONE."
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Oh the praise of men......
 
treasure_unseen said:
Oh the praise of men......
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Accurately stating what a man is or was is not necessarily praising, it is describing.

Just like how we accurately describe that Calvin was a man of primitive thinking.
 
UGC said:
Truth doesn't change.

Ignoring truths in the Bible outside of just 1 verse is the problem; like thinking God compacted all the truths in the universe into just 1 little verse to make it easy for you.

Why don't you just x-acto knife that verse out of the Bible, laminate it, make it into a keychain, and throw the rest of your Bible in the garbage.

You don't need all those words.
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I haven't done such. Provide evidence that I have?

Scripture agrees with Scripture and I'm rather certain that I can tie more Scriptures together than you can.

Your entire theology is based on a mistaken translation in just a couple verses in the NT. Dispensation should have never been in any English Bible.
 
UGC said:
Accurately stating what a man is or was is not necessarily praising, it is describing.

Just like how we accurately describe that Calvin was a man of primitive thinking.
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You dismissed Calvin and praised your man of choice. Word parsing will not help you. Your praise of others is very telling. Men will fail you. Always have. Always will.
 
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