Do Christians Worship a Jew?

Ransom said:
Indeed. It's a textbook logical fallacy to assert that what is true of the whole is true of its parts, or vice versa.

"Jesus is a true man" does not imply "God is a true man"; nor does "God is neither male nor female" imply "Jesus is neither male nor female."
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Ooooo. If only that were thought process being brought to bear, you might have scored a point.

But it isn't.

You want to try again?
 
Dr. Duck said:
This is actually a very lucid argument. I’ve been sitting back just watching this play out without giving thought, but God does not possess ethnicity, race, etc. Yes, Jesus, but certainly not God. Although the entire Trinity argument does seem to make this a little more complicated….
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Jesus ONLY among the trinity assumed human likeness and flesh, and he assumed being a jewish man
 
biscuit1953 said:
If you interpret Galations 3:28 to say Jews no longer exist during the Church age, then be consistent and say women no longer exist in the Church age. Same context.
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I'm speaking of what is said of our glorified bodies. Not our unglorified bodies in the earth in whose members the law of sin still wars. Try to keep up.

biscuit1953 said:
Did Paul deny his Jewishness?

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When he was baptized. Yes. He stopped being a Jew and became a Christian, and warned that a return to any shadow or type of the first covenant was an apostacy from which there is no hope of return. Your little video prophet is a Judaizer and an apostate.

His heritage, which was a great adavantage to him in the past, became a loss and hindrance to his apprehension of Christ. It was completely meaningless. It meant nothing to him be a Hebrew.

Haven't you read?

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, - Philippians 3:2-8​
 
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Ekklesian said:
I'm speaking of what is said of our glorified bodies. Not our unglorified bodies in the earth in whose members the law of sin still wars. Try to keep up.


When he was baptized. Yes. He stopped being a Jew and became a Christian, and warned that a return to any shadow or type of the first covenant was an apostacy from which there is no hope of return. Your little video prophet is a Judaizer and an apostate.

His heritage, which was a great adavantage to him in the past, became a loss and hindrance to his apprehension of Christ. It was completely meaningless. It meant nothing to him be a Hebrew.

Haven't you read?

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, - Philippians 3:2-8​
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Paul stayed jewish, vast majority of the first Christians were jewish
 
JesusFan said:
ANy jew who sees jesus as being their messiah and Lord would indeed be a Christian, just keeping their jewish identies
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What are the hallmarks of a Jewish identity?

Circumcision? The observance of feasts and days? Sabbath? Sacrifices? What?
 
Ekklesian said:
What are the hallmarks of a Jewish identity?

Circumcision? The observance of feasts and days? Sabbath? Sacrifices? What?
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The hallmark of an antisemite is someone who wishes to erase Jews from existence just like the Democratic Party wishes to erase women from existence. The Anti-women and Antisemites both use Galations 3:28 as a proof text.

My dear uncle claimed to be a Christian and he believed the Jews were God’s chosen people but he thought God bent over backwards for them, and Hitler had the right idea; he just didn’t carry it through.
 
biscuit1953 said:
The hallmark of an antisemite is someone who wishes to erase Jews from existence just like the Democratic Party wishes to erase women from existence. The Anti-women and Antisemites both use Galations 3:28 as a proof text.
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The Hebrew ethnicity has become so dispersed over the millennia that it's already erased. It's meaningless today to speak of the jews as a race or ethnicity. The vast majority of Israelis are pasty white Europeans.

Muslims are more "semitic" than 99% of the Jews.

But I didn't ask what the marks of antisemitism are. Those are redefined regularly to suit the Zionists.

The question was, what is a Jewish identity? You keep talking about it. Can you describe it?



biscuit1953 said:
My dear uncle claimed to be a Christian and he believed the Jews were God’s chosen people but he thought God bent over backwards for them, and Hitler had the right idea; he just didn’t carry it through.
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Nobody cares.
 
biscuit1953 said:
If you interpret Galations 3:28 to say Jews no longer exist during the Church age, then be consistent and say women no longer exist in the Church age. Same context.
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The line of thought where our glorified bodies are neither male nor female or Jew nor Gentile kind of breaks down at "neither slave nor free," which is probably why it hasn't been brought up yet. :ROFLMAO:
 
Ransom said:
The line of thought where our glorified bodies are neither male nor female or Jew nor Gentile kind of breaks down at "neither slave nor free," which is probably why it hasn't been brought up yet. :ROFLMAO:
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The line of reasoning breaks down both ways.

Here's Paul's description again, because your childish thinking is giving you a thick skull.

Foolish man, it is necessary for the seed which you put into the earth to undergo death in order that it may come to life again: And when you put it into the earth, you do not put in the body which it will be, but only the seed, of grain or some other sort of plant; But God gives it a body, as it is pleasing to him, and to every seed its special body.​

... And there are bodies of heaven and bodies of earth, but the glory of the one is different from that of the other.​
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... It is planted a natural body; it comes again as a body of the spirit. If there is a natural body, there is equally a body of the spirit. ​
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And so it is said, The first man Adam was a living soul. The last Adam is a life-giving spirit. ​
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... The first man is from the earth, and of the earth: the second man is from heaven. - 1 Corinthians 15:36-38, 40, 44-45, 47 BBE​
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Our natural body, our ethnicity, is from the earth. Raised and glorified (there is no 1000 year Jewish dominion between the Resurrection and the Judgment) our bodies are no longer earthy. They won't be dust any longer. They are now heavenly, incorruptible, of a substance not of the earth but of heaven.

What about femininity and masculinity? I don't know. I know this, it won't be anything like you can imagine from the earth.

What will we look like? I don't know. I have a high degree of confidence in the supposition that we will be shining.

Applying your notions, based as they are on earthy things, to our glorified bodies is even an more vain and foolish endeavor than trying to imagine the unimanigible.

To be a Jew is be from the earth. The last Adam is from Heaven.

We do not worship a Jew.
 
Ekklesian said:
The line of reasoning breaks down both ways.
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Correct. You are either male or female (there is no other alternative), either Jew or Gentile (there is no other alternative), or either slave or free (there is no other alternative). Your argument breaks down on all three points.

To be a Jew is be from the earth. The last Adam is from Heaven.
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The last Adam is a physical descendant of the first Adam.

You do not worship a Jew, because you do not worship the real Jesus, but your imaginary one.
 
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