Do you dress up for church?

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Tarheel Baptist said:
Why don't you dress up for church services?

I wear whatever I would normally wear.  Usually shorts and polo shirt, socks and sneakers. 

The church I attend doesn't really have "services".  It's closer to being a New Testament style church.  We meet in a building, but the chairs are all arranged in a circle so we can see each other and interact.  People speak as they are led, and sometimes someone plans ahead with some instructions.  There's no planned roster of songs.  We sing whatever someone suggests at the moment from a common hymnal, or from pages someone passes around. 

 
Recovering IFB said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Recovering IFB said:
Because in America, looks are everything! ;)

Maybe to shallow people.... ;D
Are you saying some here are shallow ? Do you not see where this thread is heading?

If they believe 'looks are everything', they are shallow.

Heading? I know where it started...the traditional church is wrong, pastors are a false concept and the laity a.k.a. peons are just dumb sheep.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Castor Muscular said:
Izdaari said:
No dress up. My church is pretty casual. In the summer, I normally wear shorts, a tank top and sandals to church.

No, I don't know the history.

The clergy started wearing special clothes in the 4th century when Constantine wanted to elevate them above the laity.  There's a long history of changes that led to today's clerical vestments, which now vary from church to church and denomination to denomination.  But none of it is Biblical.  Very late in the process, some people justified the practice by pointing back to the Jewish priest's vestments. 

The laity wore everyday clothes until about the 19th century when a large middle-class emerged, and they wanted to differentiate themselves from the lower class by wearing better clothes.  Many Methodist churches actually rejected the idea and refused to allow a "dressed-up" person into the service. 

But as time passed, the practice of dressing up for the occasion became acceptable, and eventually became expected in some churches, even though the origin was to show off your economic status.  These days, many, if not most churches allow people to attend without dressing up.  But the clergy still has its pagan outfits and vestments.

Or it could be it was 'usual and customary' dress for the culture....not a fundy plot!


Key word "was".
 
I recently had a change of heart regarding shorts. I have worn them on occasion to church services but not likely anymore. No one want to see my grandpa stockings!  :o
 
subllibrm said:
I recently had a change of heart regarding shorts. I have worn them on occasion to church services but not likely anymore. No one want to see my grandpa stockings!  :o

Easy solution: don't wear shorts and grandpa stockings together.  :-*
 
subllibrm said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Castor Muscular said:
Izdaari said:
No dress up. My church is pretty casual. In the summer, I normally wear shorts, a tank top and sandals to church.

No, I don't know the history.

The clergy started wearing special clothes in the 4th century when Constantine wanted to elevate them above the laity.  There's a long history of changes that led to today's clerical vestments, which now vary from church to church and denomination to denomination.  But none of it is Biblical.  Very late in the process, some people justified the practice by pointing back to the Jewish priest's vestments. 

The laity wore everyday clothes until about the 19th century when a large middle-class emerged, and they wanted to differentiate themselves from the lower class by wearing better clothes.  Many Methodist churches actually rejected the idea and refused to allow a "dressed-up" person into the service. 

But as time passed, the practice of dressing up for the occasion became acceptable, and eventually became expected in some churches, even though the origin was to show off your economic status.  These days, many, if not most churches allow people to attend without dressing up.  But the clergy still has its pagan outfits and vestments.

Or it could be it was 'usual and customary' dress for the culture....not a fundy plot!


Key word "was".

Which is why I used 'was' and not 'is'.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Or it could be it was 'usual and customary' dress for the culture....not a fundy plot!

You missed the point then.  It was very contrary to what was usual and customary dress.  Starting in the 19th century, people started dressing up to be recognized as non-peasant status.  They carried that over into their church attendance, to show off their new status.  Some churches even refused to allow you in the building if you were dressed up, because it sent the wrong message.

It was never a fundy plot, but fundies eventually adopted it as expected proper attire.  But it wasn't even a consideration until about 200 years ago.  The "church" went without dressing up for a good 1800 years and nobody was the worse for it. 
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Heading? I know where it started...the traditional church is wrong, pastors are a false concept and the laity a.k.a. peons are just dumb sheep.

No, but close.

The current traditions are wrong, and have pagan origins.

The pastor and sermon as the focal point of the church is a false concept, also taken from pagan practices (secular professional rhetoric and paid orators). 

And the current traditional church treats the body of Christ like dumb sheep who are expected to sing and then sit, shut up, and listen for 30 minutes to an hour, after which they can go back to talking to each other about football.

 
subllibrm said:
To infer that anyone said such a thing is to miss the point entirely or is in itself a bit naive.

James wrote on this subject. God makes it clear that He is less concerned about what is worn to church than our reaction/attitude toward what is worn to church by others.

James wrote about people who distinguish themselves intentionally in order to create a segregated class system based on socio-economic accoutriments.  What is it that you think I said that makes the claim that we ought to dress up in order to create a clique within the church and to show who has the money to show off their status?
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Recovering IFB said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Recovering IFB said:
Because in America, looks are everything! ;)

Maybe to shallow people.... ;D
Are you saying some here are shallow ? Do you not see where this thread is heading?

If they believe 'looks are everything', they are shallow.

Heading? I know where it started...the traditional church is wrong, pastors are a false concept and the laity a.k.a. peons are just dumb sheep.

What do you consider traditional? Do you think our Lord wore an Armani to the synagogue? I think he probably had only one robe. Do you think your "typical" traditional American culture church is right then?
 
Castor Muscular said:
  Starting in the 19th century, people started dressing up to be recognized as non-peasant status.

And what if a person "dresses up" for something other than nefarious or ill-conceived motives?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Castor Muscular said:
  Starting in the 19th century, people started dressing up to be recognized as non-peasant status.

And what if a person "dresses up" for something other than nefarious or ill-conceived motives?

Then I must ask, "Why are you dressing up?"  And I got at least one answer, and responded to that. 
 
Castor Muscular said:
Then I must ask, "Why are you dressing up?"  And I got at least one answer, and responded to that.

And if I say that I am dressing up out of an attitude that wants to reverence God internally, and externally?
 
Castor Muscular said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Or it could be it was 'usual and customary' dress for the culture....not a fundy plot!

You missed the point then.  It was very contrary to what was usual and customary dress.  Starting in the 19th century, people started dressing up to be recognized as non-peasant status.  They carried that over into their church attendance, to show off their new status.  Some churches even refused to allow you in the building if you were dressed up, because it sent the wrong message.

It was never a fundy plot, but fundies eventually adopted it as expected proper attire.  But it wasn't even a consideration until about 200 years ago.  The "church" went without dressing up for a good 1800 years and nobody was the worse for it.

I think you missed the point...(seems we've had this conversation before).

What they wore to a Dodger game in the late 1950's...(coats and ties for men, hats and often gloves for the ladies) was the same thing they wore to church on Sunday. Usual and customary for the culture.
Today, dress for baseball games and church services has changed. Usual and customary for the culture.
Many still dress up, but most don't, in my experience.
Are you saying that one of these groups are wrong in their dress patterns?

As to robes and collars for 'clergy' you might be on the wrong forum....
 
ALAYMAN said:
Castor Muscular said:
Then I must ask, "Why are you dressing up?"  And I got at least one answer, and responded to that.

And if I say that I am dressing up out of an attitude that wants to reverence God internally, and externally?

You're and ignorant peon...AND a Gnostic.... :D
 
ALAYMAN said:
Castor Muscular said:
Then I must ask, "Why are you dressing up?"  And I got at least one answer, and responded to that.

And if I say that I am dressing up out of an attitude that wants to reverence God internally, and externally?

I would say, "Why do you do that for 3 hours a week, and not for the remaining 165 hours?  What is it about going to a building that makes dressing up reverence for God?  Why aren't you showing reverence at all other times?"  Perhaps you dress up 24 hours a day.  I don't know. 

 
Castor Muscular said:
I would say, "Why do you do that for 3 hours a week, and not for the remaining 165 hours?  What is it about going to a building that makes dressing up reverence for God?  Why aren't you showing reverence at all other times?"  Perhaps you dress up 24 hours a day.  I don't know.

Are you denying that there is a solemnity attendant to corporate worship that is different than our everyday lives?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Are you denying that there is a solemnity attendant to corporate worship that is different than our everyday lives?

Why?  You only worship God when you're at church on Sunday with other people?  And must it be a solemn occasion when you are with other Christians?  Are you prepared to criticize the people who didn't dress up for 1800 years? 

 
ALAYMAN said:
Are you denying that there is a solemnity attendant to corporate worship that is different than our everyday lives?

I hope not! Quite a bit of Colossians is where Paul is condemning this exact attitude.

 
Castor Muscular said:
ALAYMAN said:
Are you denying that there is a solemnity attendant to corporate worship that is different than our everyday lives?

Why?  You only worship God when you're at church on Sunday with other people?  And must it be a solemn occasion when you are with other Christians?  Are you prepared to criticize the people who didn't dress up for 1800 years?

I'm not criticizing ANYBODY, yet, though I will admit that subjectively there's an attitude in the modern consumerist approach to doing church that seems to lack the appropriate level of reverence, not just in appearance, but music, atmosphere, and most of all, disrespect for the rightful place of the word of God.  Those are all tangential issues though, and I'd rather not chase rabbits, but rather focus on the matter of reverence in regards to an outward reflection of an inward attitude.

Do I only worship God on one day for a couple of hours?  Silly question.  But you avoided my question.  The nature of my life is to be generally about worship, but the manner in which I go about that as I parent my son at a ballgame is categorically different than when I receive the word of God and other essential elements of corporate worship. 

Are you saying there is no difference in corporate worship and our everyday lives?
 
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