Does God ever hear the prayers of the lost?

[Jim Jones]

I know of one prayer that God hears from the sinner.

What would that be (other than what was mentioned in the OP "repentance unto salvation"?

He heard Balaam and answered.

Could you elaborate?

And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee? And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core

Could you explain what these verses have to do with the OP?

He's a false prophet.

No where did God call him a false prophet.

He was covetous, desiring money so much, that he asked God again, as if He would change His mind.

God instead sent him to give His Word.
Balaam even warned them, that he could only say what God told him...and he did.

He prophesied correctly.

You have gravely misunderstood this ensample.

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You disagree.

That doesn't make me wrong.

 

[prophet]

I know of one prayer that God hears from the sinner.

What would that be (other than what was mentioned in the OP "repentance unto salvation"?

He heard Balaam and answered.

Could you elaborate?

And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee? And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core

Could you explain what these verses have to do with the OP?

He's a false prophet.

No where did God call him a false prophet.

He was covetous, desiring money so much, that he asked God again, as if He would change His mind.

God instead sent him to give His Word.
Balaam even warned them, that he could only say what God told him...and he did.

He prophesied correctly.

You have gravely misunderstood this ensample.

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You disagree.

That doesn't make me wrong.

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

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[ALAYMAN]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

 

[biscuit1953]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

You are correct.  It is possible to preach the gospel straight down the line and work miracles just like Judas Iscariot did and yet be a stranger to grace.  A gift as in the case of Balaam may also be possessed without grace, but grace alone saves.  That a false prophet could possess such a gift is one of the great mysteries of the Bible.

 

[prophet]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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[biscuit1953]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

 

[prophet]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

Jn 6:70 ? Jn 6:71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

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[biscuit1953]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

Jn 6:70 ? Jn 6:71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  God also chose Balaam who was a false prophet.  It looks like you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

 

[prophet]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

Jn 6:70 ? Jn 6:71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  God also chose Balaam who was a false prophet.  It looks like you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

The subject wasn't "eggs in China", it was "whether Jesus chose men who were unsaved".

Judas was called a Devil here, chosen on purpose,  to fulfill a plan, unregenerate.

That verse couldn't possibly be more relevant.

You, on the other hand, in a serious discussion,  apparently couldn't be any less...



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[biscuit1953]

The Holy Spirit came upon men in the Old Testament to enable them to do what God ordained.  Saul is a good example of one who was given ?another heart? (1 Sam 10:6-10).  It doesn?t mean he was regenerated but simply that he was given the skills to be a king that the people demanded.  The anointing was taken from Saul and later given to David.  In Psalm 51 when David prayed for God to not ?take Your Holy Spirit from me? it wasn?t that he was afraid of going to hell but feared that God would remove His hand of guidance and wisdom that allowed him to rule Israel.  He saw what happened to Saul.

 

[prophet]

The Holy Spirit came upon men in the Old Testament to enable them to do what God ordained.  Saul is a good example of one who was given ?another heart? (1 Sam 10:6-10).  It doesn?t mean he was regenerated but simply that he was given the skills to be a king that the people demanded.  The anointing was taken from Saul and later given to David.  In Psalm 51 when David prayed for God to not ?take Your Holy Spirit from me? it wasn?t that he was afraid of going to hell but feared that God would remove His hand of guidance and wisdom that allowed him to rule Israel.  He saw what happened to Saul.

See above post.

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[biscuit1953]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

Jn 6:70 ? Jn 6:71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  God also chose Balaam who was a false prophet.  It looks like you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

The subject wasn't "eggs in China", it was "whether Jesus chose men who were unsaved".

Judas was called a Devil here, chosen on purpose,  to fulfill a plan, unregenerate.

That verse couldn't possibly be more relevant.

You, on the other hand, in a serious discussion,  apparently couldn't be any less...



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So God can choose a false apostle but not a false prophet?  Give me a break.

 

[prophet]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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[prophet]

You disagree with the words in the Scripture, not with "my opinion".

Lots and lots of scholars believe Balaam was a false prophet, or more accurately described as a diviner (pagan religious hireling).  What makes you think he was a genuine believer?  More importantly, in what way could it be accurately assumed that his prayers were heard by God and answered?

Lots of "scholars" believe in evolution.
So what?

What makes a prophet?



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What makes an original apostle?  Was Judas saved?

Jn 6:70 ? Jn 6:71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  God also chose Balaam who was a false prophet.  It looks like you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

The subject wasn't "eggs in China", it was "whether Jesus chose men who were unsaved".

Judas was called a Devil here, chosen on purpose,  to fulfill a plan, unregenerate.

That verse couldn't possibly be more relevant.

You, on the other hand, in a serious discussion,  apparently couldn't be any less...



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So God can choose a false apostle but not a false prophet?  Give me a break.

Huge difference.
God spoke by His prophets.

Judas was chosen as a Devil.
Balaam was chosen to reveal God's Word.

God didn't speak by Judas.




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[biscuit1953]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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Why would any rational human being believe God could choose a false apostle who preached the gospel and performed miracles and every other function that validated an apostle but not a false prophet? 

 

[prophet]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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Why would any rational human being believe God could choose a false apostle who preached the gospel and performed miracles and every other function that validated an apostle but not a false prophet?

Total logical fallacy.

There were many lepers in Israel, but God chose to heal Naman.

It proves nothing.

A reasonable person would believe, by our intro to Balaam, that he was a prophet of God.
Not one verse in Scripture says anything to the contrary.

Num 22:8 ? Num 22:9
And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam. And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?

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[prophet]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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Why would any rational human being believe God could choose a false apostle who preached the gospel and performed miracles and every other function that validated an apostle but not a false prophet?

You've confused "Apostle"  with "Disciple".

Judas never saw the Resurrection, wasn't around when the Apostles were followed by "signs and wonders".

The only account we have of him, in the ministry,  is his complaint about expensive ointment being wasted.

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[biscuit1953]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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Why would any rational human being believe God could choose a false apostle who preached the gospel and performed miracles and every other function that validated an apostle but not a false prophet?

Total logical fallacy.

There were many lepers in Israel, but God chose to heal Naman.

It proves nothing.

A reasonable person would believe, by our intro to Balaam, that he was a prophet of God.
Not one verse in Scripture says anything to the contrary.

Num 22:8 ? Num 22:9
And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam. And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?

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What it proves is you are a totally illogical person who can't admit when he is wrong.  Let me give you some good advice.  Start reading some modern translations and you will get a better understanding of scripture.  My eyes were opened after I read through the Bible in a couple of modern versions.  The King James is good but better for the generation in which it was written.  Giving up your obsession of defending a 400 year old translation as the only perfect one will free your soul.  It might even make you more humble.

 

[prophet]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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Why would any rational human being believe God could choose a false apostle who preached the gospel and performed miracles and every other function that validated an apostle but not a false prophet?

Total logical fallacy.

There were many lepers in Israel, but God chose to heal Naman.

It proves nothing.

A reasonable person would believe, by our intro to Balaam, that he was a prophet of God.
Not one verse in Scripture says anything to the contrary.

Num 22:8 ? Num 22:9
And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam. And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?

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What it proves is you are a totally illogical person who can't admit when he is wrong.  Let me give you some good advice.  Start reading some modern translations and you will get a better understanding of scripture.  My eyes were opened after I read through the Bible in a couple of modern versions.  The King James is good but better for the generation in which it was written.  Giving up you obsession of defending a 400 year old translation as the only perfect one will free your soul.  It might even make you more humble.

Apparently, you think "nuh-uh" is a counter point.

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[Bob H]

Why would anyone think that Balaam was a false prophet?



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"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.........Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

"But there were false prophets also among the people........................Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;"



And this does not deal with the "Doctrine of Balaam". This is good enough for me. But again, that's just me.