Donna's Law

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Donna's Law is a voluntary self-registry prohibition to gun sales for those who choose to create self defense against suicide. If one chooses to reverse their registration, they would be given a waiting period of a couple weeks. Link
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I know most folk on here are pretty conservative on a lot of social issues, gun legislation included, so what are you thoughts on Donna's Law?
 
Like any other registry or control device, if someone is bent on doing something like this, no law is going to prevent them from doing it.
 
Gun sales is always the focus....
All gun laws in the US, are tantamount to Treason.
 
abcaines said:
Like any other registry or control device, if someone is bent on doing something like this, no law is going to prevent them from doing it.
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Agreed, but the reason I found this an interesting topic is that, as a gun-rights advocate, I know that there's an element of my/our crowd that is leery (as prophet proved via his post) of fear of the slippery slope mentality regarding legislation. In this case, I don't see a downside, if somebody who is prone to suicide (the most successful method of taking one's life by a landslide comparison) then it stands to reason that to allow them to voluntarily add themselves to the Background check mechanism preventing them from buying a gun then I think it is prudent that we recognize the wisdom in allowing them such preventative measures.
 
prophet said:
Gun sales is always the focus....
All gun laws in the US, are tantamount to Treason.
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How would such a legislative act curtail ownership/purchase for those that didn't subscribe to voluntarily adding their name to the "do not sell to this person" list?
 
ALAYMAN said:
I know most folk on here are pretty conservative on a lot of social issues, gun legislation included, so what are you thoughts on Donna's Law?
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If it's voluntary, I don't see the issue. Better situation than the one we have up here, which is pretty much that whenever someone gets killed by a gun, the government bans that gun and a few more they tripped over along the way.
 
Ransom said:
If it's voluntary, I don't see the issue. Better situation than the one we have up here, which is pretty much that whenever someone gets killed by a gun, the government bans that gun and a few more they tripped over along the way.
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How long did it take politicians to move Covid vaccinations from voluntary to mandatory? Or at least try?
 
abcaines said:
How long did it take politicians to move Covid vaccinations from voluntary to mandatory? Or at least try?
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Not looking for a fight, at all, just for justification amongst friendly gun-rights advocate. I am assuming the slippery slope concept is what you are invoking here. How does that door to confiscation (or whatever you would deem as the next step) become a skid to that as a result of crafting a law that allows at-risk individuals to voluntarily agree to keep themselves from potential effective life-ending self-harm?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Not looking for a fight, at all, just for justification amongst friendly gun-rights advocate. I am assuming the slippery slope concept is what you are invoking here. How does that door to confiscation (or whatever you would deem as the next step) become a skid to that as a result of crafting a law that allows at-risk individuals to voluntarily agree to keep themselves from potential effective life-ending self-harm?
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The same way those at risk of covid were first allowed to volunteer but politicians quickly removed the volunteer aspect "for the greater good."
 
Donna's Law, already adopted by Utah, Washington and Virginia, provides a method by which any person can sign a waiver, temporarily forfeiting their Second Amendment right to purchase a firearm, and adding their name to the NICS system and a prohibited person. Each state is slightly different.
 
abcaines said:
The same way those at risk of covid were first allowed to volunteer but politicians quickly removed the volunteer aspect "for the greater good."
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hmmm, interesting concept.
 
The concept is interesting.
 
abcaines said:
How long did it take politicians to move Covid vaccinations from voluntary to mandatory? Or at least try?
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Taking a voluntary restriction on one's own rights and making it mandatory for everyone still comes up against the Second Amendment, and thus far the position of the Supreme Court is that the people do, in fact, have a right to buy and own guns.
 
Ransom said:
Taking a voluntary restriction on one's own rights and making it mandatory for everyone still comes up against the Second Amendment, and thus far the position of the Supreme Court is that the people do, in fact, have a right to buy and own guns.
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This is how I viewed it as well, but with the fervor and climate in the country right now I have to say it does give me pause when I think about how a conniving activist group could seek and win groundbreaking precedent-setting restrictions (like those imposed through Covid rationalizations).
 
ALAYMAN said:
How would such a legislative act curtail ownership/purchase for those that didn't subscribe to voluntarily adding their name to the "do not sell to this person" list?
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Are we to pretend now, that a gun is the only method by which one can commit suicide?
This couldn't possibly affect the suicide rate, as long as bed sheets are available...
The State can't solve the problem of Sin, so it can't solve any other.
 
prophet said:
Are we to pretend now, that a gun is the only method by which one can commit suicide?
This couldn't possibly affect the suicide rate, as long as bed sheets are available...
The State can't solve the problem of Sin, so it can't solve any other.
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Suicide by gunshot is 90% effective and accounts for over half of all successful suicides.

Suicidal thoughts are often short-lived: if a potential suicide is deprived of a quick way of killing himself (e.g. putting up a barrier on a bridge), or talked out of it, he might not try again. So it stands to reason that if you make it difficult for a person to obtain the most common and most effective means of killing himself, it might deter a significant number of potential suicides from ever happening.

Of course someone truly determined to die will find another way, and no one is arguing otherwise.
 
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