'Duck Dynasty' star suspended for anti-gay remarks

[wtyson]

While gays continue to come out of the closet; Christians are going in.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

 

[Izdaari]

Phil has the right to his cockamamie opinions just like Alec Baldwin has the right to his.

And A&E has the right to suspend him for it.

But if they keep him off for too long, it'll be a bad business decision. The show will be less interesting without him and ratings will drop.

 

[christundivided]

Phil has the right to his cockamamie opinions just like Alec Baldwin has the right to his.

And A&E has the right to suspend him for it.

But if they keep him off for too long, it'll be a bad business decision. The show will be less interesting without him and ratings will drop.

So you see no difference in Phil and Alec? Nice try at blurring the lines. Phil didn't call anyone a "X$&!".

 

[prophet]

A&E takes $ from the Gov., and has to follow their guidelines...they don't have a choice, they are forced to limit "hate speech".

Anishinabe

Get a grip man. Its not hate speech. Either way......It didn't happen on the AIR. Its never happened on the SHOW. The channel has no liability.

None of my post was my opinion.  A&E acted out of fear.  Their lawyers made the decision, based on previous experience ( the ficticious law set known as :'case law').
They rightly feared retribution that includes,at least: gov. siding against them in a law suit; And at most: fining them heavily, with the threat of yanking their Federal permit.

It doesn't matter when he said it, the words have become synonymous with him, for judicial purposes.
This is why the gov. was never supposed to be involved in "protecting" us from "bad words" in the first place.

Anishinabe

 

[christundivided]

A&E takes $ from the Gov., and has to follow their guidelines...they don't have a choice, they are forced to limit "hate speech".

Anishinabe

Get a grip man. Its not hate speech. Either way......It didn't happen on the AIR. Its never happened on the SHOW. The channel has no liability.

None of my post was my opinion.  A&E acted out of fear.  Their lawyers made the decision, based on previous experience ( the ficticious law set known as :'case law').
They rightly feared retribution that includes,at least: gov. siding against them in a law suit; And at most: fining them heavily, with the threat of yanking their Federal permit.

It doesn't matter when he said it, the words have become synonymous with him, for judicial purposes.
This is why the gov. was never supposed to be involved in "protecting" us from "bad words" in the first place.

Anishinabe

You're being ridiculous. He gave his opinion and even stated it as an opinion. There is no civil or criminal liability for him or the network. You're acting like you're in Canada. If the nuts from Westboro can do what they do without any fear of reprisal.... little Phil has nothing to worry about.

There is no "case law" on the matter. None. Please provide your evidence. What A&E did is solely based on their LOVE for the LGBT lifestyle. They want to see it thrive.

The people saying this isn't a free speech issue are morons. Phil has the right to say whatever he wants. Now granted. He's not afforded any protection from be fired, but he still has a right to say WHATEVER he wants without fear of being held criminally and civilly liable. Go ahead. Provide all the "case law" example you've got on this issue. I'd love to see it.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Yes.  AE is guilty of religious discrimination.

What I find interesting:
The Robertson's are an odd group of redneck ducks that are almost as different from the rest of society as Turtleman.  The whole show is about their goofy redneck antics and how backward they are.  The show has some interest because this group of goofballs somehow made a business work and everyone is impressed.  Add to it then, the close in prayer around the family table.  This closing is presented right along with the rest of their antics.

Personally, I think AE is showcasing how goofy Christians seem to be as compared to the rest of society.  Their statements of "Championing the LGBT agenda" is evidence that then never really cared for the Christian part of the family.  When the family travels and does live events, they speak very strongly of their religious and lifestyle beliefs.  Now that the family is insanely popular, others are listening to them.  GQ obviously has an agenda to promote and pushed the right buttons.  AE reacts by proclaiming to the world that they do not want any connotation with religion or morality.

The Christian is slandered, loses income and lifestyle.  This is discrimination which the government is supposed to protect against.

I find interesting that the people in media who do not want to be the "morality police" are very happy to judge as wrong anyone with morality.

 

[prophet]

CU,
Are you suggesting that there is no basis to the fear that the presiding judge, in a civil suit, would rule in favor of the LGBT claimant?
That A&E didn't act on a legal team's advice, probably as a reaction to outside pressure?
P R' s philosophy was on record, and known to them, prior to the show's beginning.

Anishinabe

 

[4everfsu]

I found this on a comment section of the latest about this topic. I am not a lawyer maybe someone who is can say yay or nay

Or (hopefully) paying him a vast sum of money awarded by a jury in a civil suit. He answered a question OUTSIDE THE WORKPLACE by stating his religious beliefs. Unlike the intolerant LGBT slanderers, he didn't express any hatred or demand that others think like him. His first amendment rights were violated and he is a victim of religious discrimination in the workplace. The EEO laws are on the books. This is a drop in the bucket for any lawyer. FOOTNOTE: If these reporters don't stop misquoting him, they might have to open their wallets also.

 

[christundivided]

CU,
Are you suggesting that there is no basis to the fear that the presiding judge, in a civil suit, would rule in favor of the LGBT claimant?
That A&E didn't act on a legal team's advice, probably as a reaction to outside pressure?
P R' s philosophy was on record, and known to them, prior to the show's beginning.

Anishinabe

No. I don't have any fear. Now I do fear being fired for my beliefs. I don't fear civil or criminal punishment. There may very well be changes on the future. Right now, there is no reason to fear. I can pretty much say what I want to say as long as it presented as my opinion.

 

[Izdaari]

Phil has the right to his cockamamie opinions just like Alec Baldwin has the right to his.

And A&E has the right to suspend him for it.

But if they keep him off for too long, it'll be a bad business decision. The show will be less interesting without him and ratings will drop.

So you see no difference in Phil and Alec? Nice try at blurring the lines. Phil didn't call anyone a "X$&!".

I don't endorse Phil's opinions or Alec's (I did mean his opinions, not his temper tantrums). You can substitute most any other celebrity name you want, most of whom have cockamamie opinions. The point remains that they're entitled to their opinions and can express them in public. We may or may not like them, and their sponsors or employers may or may not like them, and so it goes.

 

[prophet]

CU,
Are you suggesting that there is no basis to the fear that the presiding judge, in a civil suit, would rule in favor of the LGBT claimant?
That A&E didn't act on a legal team's advice, probably as a reaction to outside pressure?
P R' s philosophy was on record, and known to them, prior to the show's beginning.

Anishinabe

No. I don't have any fear. Now I do fear being fired for my beliefs. I don't fear civil or criminal punishment. There may very well be changes on the future. Right now, there is no reason to fear. I can pretty much say what I want to say as long as it presented as my opinion.

Not you, A&E...silly man.

Anishinaabe

 

[christundivided]

CU,
Are you suggesting that there is no basis to the fear that the presiding judge, in a civil suit, would rule in favor of the LGBT claimant?
That A&E didn't act on a legal team's advice, probably as a reaction to outside pressure?
P R' s philosophy was on record, and known to them, prior to the show's beginning.

Anishinabe

No. I don't have any fear. Now I do fear being fired for my beliefs. I don't fear civil or criminal punishment. There may very well be changes on the future. Right now, there is no reason to fear. I can pretty much say what I want to say as long as it presented as my opinion.

Not you, A&E...silly man.

Anishinaabe

Silly man? I asked for all that case law you're talking about and you haven't provide anything. You're the idiot.

Again. Provide all that case law that makes your argument.

 

[christundivided]

Phil has the right to his cockamamie opinions just like Alec Baldwin has the right to his.

And A&E has the right to suspend him for it.

But if they keep him off for too long, it'll be a bad business decision. The show will be less interesting without him and ratings will drop.

So you see no difference in Phil and Alec? Nice try at blurring the lines. Phil didn't call anyone a "X$&!".

I don't endorse Phil's opinions or Alec's (I did mean his opinions, not his temper tantrums). You can substitute most any other celebrity name you want, most of whom have cockamamie opinions. The point remains that they're entitled to their opinions and can express them in public. We may or may not like them, and their sponsors or employers may or may not like them, and so it goes.

Well.. your opinion is worse than cockamamie. Its down right worthless. You're in good company with all your anus reaming friends.

 

[Tim]

From a facebook friend:

...it's not his boldness that I am criticizing but rather his agenda. I mean why not be just as outraged by all the obese people in America? After all, gluttony is a sin, right? And if all sin is equal then… I guess what I'm saying is that the tactics of the religious right haven't worked. We try to force everyone into our version of morality and all they do is fight it. This only further alienates us and maybe even Jesus from the sinner. What if a high profile someone like this just said, "I love Jesus. The day I gave my life to him, everything changed for the better. I will never be the same. If you think all your hope is shot, if you think no one loves you, read the New Testament and give your life to Jesus." No judgment. Just Jesus. I'm not saying you're wrong. I get where you are coming from, but I've been thinking about this for a couple of years now and I really believe the church could be more successful if it changed its approach, not toward homosexuality, but just sinners in general. Of which, as Paul said, I am chief.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. I love this post, thanks for sharing. I agree, we focus so much on the sin of homosexuality but ignore other sins. Love them like Jesus, shine the light, share the gospel ... let the Holy Spirit convict like He should.

 

[Tim]

While gays continue to come out of the closet; Christians are going in.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

What is the difference, sin in the closet or sin out of the closet? It is sad to see so many hooked on the sin of homosexuality, but does anyone ever focus on the why they reach this point? Why do people habitually sin? Why do people lie? Why do people hate? Why do people lust? Why do people covet? Why do people gossip?

Why do people sin?

I don't know, into the closet or into a more predictable position toward sin? Homosexuality is the hot issue right now - and clearly a big sin. But, come on, it isn't new and sin is ugly no matter what the sin.

I am of the opinion homosexuality is no different than any other deep confused state many people are in. God can heal this sin, just like he can heal the pornography addict.

Perhaps the reason people come out of the closet is because the Church has let them down. They seek peace in the wrong place. Just like the alcoholic.

 

[christundivided]

While gays continue to come out of the closet; Christians are going in.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

What is the difference, sin in the closet or sin out of the closet? It is sad to see so many hooked on the sin of homosexuality, but does anyone ever focus on the why they reach this point? Why do people habitually sin? Why do people lie? Why do people hate? Why do people lust? Why do people covet? Why do people gossip?

Why do people sin?

I don't know, into the closet or into a more predictable position toward sin? Homosexuality is the hot issue right now - and clearly a big sin. But, come on, it isn't new and sin is ugly no matter what the sin.

I am of the opinion homosexuality is no different than any other deep confused state many people are in. God can heal this sin, just like he can heal the pornography addict.

Perhaps the reason people come out of the closet is because the Church has let them down. They seek peace in the wrong place. Just like the alcoholic.

You really are confused. They haven't come out the closet to embrace Christ. They have come out the closet to find acceptance of their sin. Hardly anyone would argue that lying isn't a sin. If we were talking about a chronic liar, you wouldn't give them the time of day. You've bought the lie. They are not looking to embrace the stark reality of their sin. They want to deny their sin. Get a grip. You pretend they've come out of the closet because they want to embrace something other than what they have. They want to bring the closet to the entire world.
By the way. No one has stopped preaching against lying. If I can preach against lying. I can preaching against homosexuality. Don't kid yourself.

 

[MrsRow]

bet more ppl are interested in the show now than before.
bet the shows ratings actually go up.
controversy just always seems to do that.
i know i'm at least interested to know if the show will suffer or get more viewers.

 

[Izdaari]

Phil has the right to his cockamamie opinions just like Alec Baldwin has the right to his.

And A&E has the right to suspend him for it.

But if they keep him off for too long, it'll be a bad business decision. The show will be less interesting without him and ratings will drop.

So you see no difference in Phil and Alec? Nice try at blurring the lines. Phil didn't call anyone a "X$&!".

I don't endorse Phil's opinions or Alec's (I did mean his opinions, not his temper tantrums). You can substitute most any other celebrity name you want, most of whom have cockamamie opinions. The point remains that they're entitled to their opinions and can express them in public. We may or may not like them, and their sponsors or employers may or may not like them, and so it goes.

Well.. your opinion is worse than cockamamie. Its down right worthless. You're in good company with all your anus reaming friends.

Alright, that's enough. I'm done with your vulgarity and personal attacks. You have made my ignore list, the first and only person on ff.org to have done so. When others tell me you have reformed, perhaps I'll reconsider... but not until then.

 

[16KJV11]

While gays continue to come out of the closet; Christians are going in.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

What is the difference, sin in the closet or sin out of the closet? It is sad to see so many hooked on the sin of homosexuality, but does anyone ever focus on the why they reach this point? Why do people habitually sin? Why do people lie? Why do people hate? Why do people lust? Why do people covet? Why do people gossip?

Why do people sin?

I don't know, into the closet or into a more predictable position toward sin? Homosexuality is the hot issue right now - and clearly a big sin. But, come on, it isn't new and sin is ugly no matter what the sin.

I am of the opinion homosexuality is no different than any other deep confused state many people are in. God can heal this sin, just like he can heal the pornography addict.

Perhaps the reason people come out of the closet is because the Church has let them down. They seek peace in the wrong place. Just like the alcoholic.

Who would you rather have lead a den of cub scouts?  A glutton or a homosexual?

 

[Tim]

While gays continue to come out of the closet; Christians are going in.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

What is the difference, sin in the closet or sin out of the closet? It is sad to see so many hooked on the sin of homosexuality, but does anyone ever focus on the why they reach this point? Why do people habitually sin? Why do people lie? Why do people hate? Why do people lust? Why do people covet? Why do people gossip?

Why do people sin?

I don't know, into the closet or into a more predictable position toward sin? Homosexuality is the hot issue right now - and clearly a big sin. But, come on, it isn't new and sin is ugly no matter what the sin.

I am of the opinion homosexuality is no different than any other deep confused state many people are in. God can heal this sin, just like he can heal the pornography addict.

Perhaps the reason people come out of the closet is because the Church has let them down. They seek peace in the wrong place. Just like the alcoholic.

Who would you rather have lead a den of cub scouts?  A glutton or a homosexual?

Both are fine to me. And I am being honest. Doesn't prove I endorse the sin - just that I trust the person.