Duggars in trouble

This aside...I have never understood the fascination with this family...nor the canonization by so many Christians.  What am I missing?
 
T-Bone said:
This aside...I have never understood the fascination with this family...nor the canonization by so many Christians.  What am I missing?
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Yes, some people do idolize them but many people (even non believers) just want to watch clean TV. The Duggars set themselves up for this disaster, though. First, you know alternate lifestyle advocates etc have been waiting for a situation like this.... (most probably hoped one the girls would get pregnant).  Second, Jim Bob projects the perfect family illusion. It's better off letting people know up front. It was going to come out.

BUT as far as canceling them... let's remember the kid was 14. No, I am not diminishing what he did to minors but he was a minor himself. Law enforcement was involved at the time so it's not like this was covered up. Child protective services was involved as well.  I am surprised that the record of a minor was available for a tabloid to get its hands on it. But no one will investigate that...

Bill Clinton can fly on the private jet of a wealthy donor and visit (multiple times) his private island getaway where he provided sexual encounters with minor aged children for adults and no one  investigates Clinton for that. But a kid - he was 14 - acts inappropriately with his siblings and another 12 years ago and people are erecting the gallows as we speak.
 
I find the Duggars too worldly for my taste and I don't like TLC.
 
Pastor Marty said:
Wow!  You harassed students who noticed your relationship but you the all knowing prophet declared they couldn't have noticed.  Was law enfrcement notified as a family frend or in an official complaint?  If not it was a Clinton style  cover up by the Duggars.

You like the Duggars profit off your own children.I
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Pastor Marty said:
It was going to come out.
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Yeah, that's too bad. He'd better resign himself to becoming a youth pastor in Floriduh, or possibly some sort of deejay.
 
I blame Jim bob for airing shows after the events with his fourteen year old took place.
  The love of money.

      I don't know if it was handled properly, especially since five girls were mollested.
   
    The father is responsible for elevating their family to world wide fame with this baggage. Where will his son live in privacy now?

 
I have been absolutely amazed at the length some of my friends have gone to defend this family and this debacle.
 
T-Bone said:
This aside...I have never understood the fascination with this family...nor the canonization by so many Christians.  What am I missing?
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I'll try. 

My family has enjoyed watching the Duggar family grow up.  At first, it was the natural wonder at the size of the family.  Then, we were impressed with their attempts to proclaim truth in a non-confrontational manner.  These people were willing to allow cameras to follow them every day and kindly explain their beliefs.  This impressed us.  How would you do with that?  As we watched the show, the fun, cute quips from the kids were funny and our family became regular watchers.  We bought their books and enjoyed them.  As the Duggar girls started getting married, it became a weekly tradition for Mrs. Chuggar and our girls to watch all of the build up.

There were some oddities.  Josh was always so - is obnoxious the right word?  Jim Bob was too controlling and manipulative.  Michelle was flighty and uninvolved with her own kids.  They were part of the quiver-full movement, which doesn't really make alot of sense.  They were home-church.  Still, we respected their stand.  It was good, clean television that showed a family that was more like us than the "Modern Family."

Then the news came out.  Sad.  So, so, so, so sad.  Of course, we were sad for the girls who had been violated and the parents (could you imagine it happening in your family?).  We were sad for Josh that this past which had been dealt with and repented of and forgiven is now costing him his career, his family their show, and everybody their reputation.  Don't forget how this changes some very public figures (the girls) personal lives and the turmoil they are living through again.  Just sad.

I believe someone who has repented, gone through the court process, and made amends with the ones they hurt should be forgiven.  It seemed that this event was hurting people for what had already been dealt with.

FWIW, I think it odd that a case that was ordered to be sealed and expunged has suddenly come into public view with the names of all the children involved.  This alone seems terrible, especially for the victims.  Victims don't need their names brought into public view.

However, after a few days, as more came out, we started remembering things said in the show that just didn't add up and made you think - eeewwww.  We remembered all of Josh's talk about purity for marriage and Jim Bob's "sex talk" episode.  A bunch of lies for public appearance.  Eeewww.  Apparently, this family was a part of a church that does some pretty odd stuff for confessing sin to the church and some of the old church members decided to share what they know.  Apparently, the rumors have been around for quite a while, but not until just recently was there actual proof.  Again, the more you realize what had happened in the past, and how they portrayed themselves.....it is sad, but on a different level.

 
The police report was obtained with the Freedom of Information Act. I would recommend anyone interested to read it.

Things would be much different if the authorities would have been called within the statue of limitations. Greg Neal? Same deal.  Jim Bob was in politics at the time. He was all about making it go away and getting on TV. How could this not get out. Oprah claims she knew in 2006 and refused to interview them but didn't say anything...Show continues until a few days ago.
 
According to the police report:

Victim first reports molestation to JimBob Duggar - 3/2002
Josh admits and Dad disciplines, but fails to report to police 7/2002
Josh again molests  7/2003 (page 15). Note he was reading to this child while the child sat upon his lap (when he began molesting them). This child was obviously quite young. These are NOT typical desires of a 14 year old boy.
Note on page 16, the type of interview also suggests the victim was very young. Literally drawing a graph so the victim could point out areas of the body involved.
Then they had Josh talk with a family friend who happened to be an officer, but again did NOT file a police report. Their friend just gave Josh a "stern talk". That friend is now serving a very long prison term on child porn charges.
Josh was never sent to a real counselor. Instead he was sent to help a family friend remodel a building for three months (page 28). Then he returned home again.
Had JimBob and Michelle properly handled the first accusations, Josh would not have been given a chance to re-offend 7/2003. They allowed this molester to live under the same roof as the children he molested. This was reckless disregard for the welfare of the younger children.
 
A lot of anti- "quiverful" hand-wringing being generated due to this story.

I can see the point many are trying to make. It is the perfect playground for controlling megalomaniacs. Sadly, there are many good families who are being caught up in the storm that do not fit the narrative. Kind of like being a black teen in the inner city, the assumption is in place until the kid can prove that he isn't a thug. And then there will still be doubters.

So if you have a lot of children, plan on the strange looks intensifying. You are all suspect now.
 
AmazedbyGrace said:
According to the police report:

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Then they had Josh talk with a family friend who happened to be an officer, but again did NOT file a police report. Their friend just gave Josh a "stern talk". That friend is now serving a very long prison term on child porn charges.

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http://www.religionnews.com/2015/05/28/ex-trooper-says-he-was-not-told-the-truth-in-duggar-molestation-case/?utm_content=buffera9984&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 
Smellin Coffee said:
AmazedbyGrace said:
According to the police report:

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Then they had Josh talk with a family friend who happened to be an officer, but again did NOT file a police report. Their friend just gave Josh a "stern talk". That friend is now serving a very long prison term on child porn charges.

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http://www.religionnews.com/2015/05/28/ex-trooper-says-he-was-not-told-the-truth-in-duggar-molestation-case/?utm_content=buffera9984&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Who are we supposed to believe?  The politician, TV star family who has been concealing this for 12 years, or the state trooper who is serving 56 years for child porn?
 
Binaca Chugger said:
Smellin Coffee said:
AmazedbyGrace said:
According to the police report:

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Then they had Josh talk with a family friend who happened to be an officer, but again did NOT file a police report. Their friend just gave Josh a "stern talk". That friend is now serving a very long prison term on child porn charges.

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http://www.religionnews.com/2015/05/28/ex-trooper-says-he-was-not-told-the-truth-in-duggar-molestation-case/?utm_content=buffera9984&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Who are we supposed to believe?  The politician, TV star family who has been concealing this for 12 years, or the state trooper who is serving 56 years for child porn?
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Exactly.
 
Is this an appropriate time to say I don't know or care who the Duggars are?
 
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