Ekklesian’s Discussion Thread

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Huk said:
I thought Catholic was a possibility as well. There were a few items he seemed to be leaning in that direction. Then again, maybe Joe’s right, and he’s just a troll.
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i doubt he;s catholic.... i go to church from time to time with some very conservative catholics and they have no problem answering the simple question you asked... and will tell you they are - saved by the grace of God... through faith in Jesus Christ - the only begotten Son of God.. who gave His life and His blood as a sacrfice to pay for my sins.... and like you said it;s something we are all taught in sunday school..... ...(provided ekklesian went to sunday school)....

i was thinking about this and i remembered that the things ekklesian has said reminded me of a classmate from college who described himself as a christadelphian... he said it was a biblical unitarian type religion ..they believe God was one person only......they follow the teachings of Jesus... but deny the diety of Jesus.... in other words they do not believe Jesus was the son of God... .but they do believe He as the promised jewish Messiah....it;s a weird set of beliefs.... almost like judaism that adds Jesus as a prophet.... .. ... this guy from college was from england going to school in hawaii... considered himself an intellectual.. ..but as i remember it he didn;t do any better on tests or exams than the rest of us did........ .

here is something i found online about the christadelphians....... read some of this and see if it doesn;t fit ekklesian.... . they even use the term ecclesia frequently in their writings and descriptions of themselves.... ....

Christadelphians - Wikipedia

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aleshanee said:
i doubt he;s catholic.... i go to church from time to time with some very conservative catholics and they have no problem answering the simple question you asked... and will tell you they are - saved by the grace of God... through faith in Jesus Christ - the only begotten Son of God.. who gave His life and His blood as a sacrfice to pay for my sins.... and like you said it;s something we are all taught in sunday school..... ...(provided ekk went to sunday school)....

i was thinking about this and i remembered that the things ekk has said reminded me of a classmate from college who described himself as a christadelphian... he said it was a biblical unitarian type religion ..they believe God was one person only......they follow the teachings of Jesus... but deny the diety of Jesus.... in other words they do not believe Jesus was the son of God... .but they do believe He as the promised jewish Messiah....it;s a weird set of beliefs.... almost like judaism that adds Jesus as a prophet.... .. ... this guy from college was from england going to school in hawaii... considered himself an intellectual.. ..but as i remember it he didn;t do any better on tests or exams than the rest of us did........ .

here is something i found online about the christadelphians....... read some of this and see if it doesn;t fit ekklesian.... . they even use the term ecclesia frequently in their writings....

Christadelphians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Very interesting. Thanks for the info. I don’t recall ever hearing of this group. Isn’t their belief similar to Jehovah Witness? I was thinking they had a similar view of Jesus.
 
Huk said:
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. I don’t recall ever hearing of this group. Isn’t their belief similar to Jehovah Witness? I was thinking they had a similar view of Jesus.
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it is very similar in many ways.... but as i understand it jehovahs witnesses believe the blood of Christ pays for the sins of believers ... and the christadelphians deny that..... .. thus the reason ekklesian is playing this coy game... and answering with a word salad of smoke and mirrors when asked about his beliefs on salvation...
 
Huk said:
There’s an element of truth in what you said, but I still believe in most Christians, those fruits of the spirit should manifest themselves over the course of time. Obviously Christians can become backslidden, but generally speaking, the fruits should be present.
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There's very much truth in what I've said.
Huk said:
You often mention faith, baptism, etc. I haven’t seen you actually respond to the “A” and “C” components. Has there been a time in your life you’ve actually admitted you’re a sinner and confessed your sins to God? Just having faith doesn’t cut it. As I said last week, Satan also has faith in Jesus.
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Faith and sight are different things. And besides, what is true in the world of men is not the same in the world of spirits, so stop confusing the two. There is no faith, or use of any, in any devil or angel.

Before I answer you questions about my confessions before God, against Whom, and Whom only I have sinned, tell me about yours.
 
aleshanee said:
i doubt he;s catholic.... i go to church from time to time with some very conservative catholics and they have no problem answering the simple question you asked...
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I had no trouble either, and answered it directly.
aleshanee said:
and will tell you they are - saved by the grace of God... through faith in Jesus Christ - the only begotten Son of God.. who gave His life and His blood as a sacrfice to pay for my sins.... and like you said it;s something we are all taught in sunday school..... ...(provided ekk went to sunday school)....
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His question wasn't, "How is one saved?" His question was, was I a Christian? If you define a Christian as only one who is saved, that's a pretty a useless defintion.
aleshanee said:
i was thinking about this and i remembered that the things ekk has said reminded me of a classmate from college who described himself as a christadelphian... he said it was a biblical unitarian type religion ..they believe God was one person only......they follow the teachings of Jesus... but deny the diety of Jesus.... in other words they do not believe Jesus was the son of God... .but they do believe He as the promised jewish Messiah....it;s a weird set of beliefs.... almost like judaism that adds Jesus as a prophet.... .. ... this guy from college was from england going to school in hawaii... considered himself an intellectual.. ..but as i remember it he didn;t do any better on tests or exams than the rest of us did........ .

here is something i found online about the christadelphians....... read some of this and see if it doesn;t fit ekklesian.... . they even use the term ecclesia frequently in their writings and descriptions of themselves.... ....

Christadelphians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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You have an active imagination.
 
aleshanee said:
it is very similar in many ways.... but as i understand it jehovahs witnesses believe the blood of Christ pays for the sins of believers ... and the christadelphians deny that..... .. thus the reason ekklesian is playing this coy game... and answering with a word salad of smoke and mirrors when asked about his beliefs on salvation...
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No one asked me my beliefs on salvation. Would you care to pose the question?
 
Ekklesian said:
I had no trouble either, and answered it directly.

His question wasn't, "How is one saved?" His question was, was I a Christian? If you define a Christian as only one who is saved, that's a pretty a useless defintion.

You have an active imagination.
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a true christian who is saved by the blood of Christ would not answer in such a coy and deliberately deceitful way like you did....... ... the guy i remembered from college spoke about religion and salvation exactly the way you do..... .... the only difference is he was not as creepy as you and not as dishonest... .. he had no problem telling us his religion denied the diety of Christ... . meaning he did not believe Jesus the Son of God was there with God the Father at the creation of the world the same way we do.....

so .... are you a christadelphian?......... simple enough question to answer... .. or do you want to continue playing these word games like some kind of half baked devils advocate?.....
 
Also, Scott barred me from the debate thread for a week because I objected to his allowing it to become a free-for-all against the posted rules.
 
Ekklesian said:
No one asked me my beliefs on salvation. Would you care to pose the question?
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nobody should have to..... a saved person would know exactly what being a christian means...... but a troll on the other hand... or someone just trying to entertain himself at the forums expense.... will say anything.... whether it is true or not.....

but if it will get a straight answer from you.... and i highly doubt it will..... . then fine.. ..... what are your beliefs on salvation?.......
 
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Ekklesian said:
Also, Scott barred me from the debate thread for a week because I objected to his allowing it to become a free-for-all against the posted rules.
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Aww.

I guess when I said I'd lock you out if you kept playing moderator, you didn't believe me.

Thoughts and prayers.
 
aleshanee said:
a true christian who is saved by the blood of Christ would not answer in such a coy and deliberately deceitful way like you did....... ...
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There was nothing coy in anything I said. Your definition of Christian basically boils down to whomever you're convinced is a Christian. The forgiveness of sins is not something that can be observed.

But I also directly alluded to your narrow definition and answered directly.
aleshanee said:
the guy i remembered from college spoke about religion and salvation exactly the way you do..... .... the only difference is he was not as creepy as you and not as dishonest...
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You see? Where am I being dishonest? Where have I not been direct, [sarcasm]except for when my home address was demanded of me? [/sarcasm]
 
Ekklesian said:
Also, Scott barred me from the debate thread for a week because I objected to his allowing it to become a free-for-all against the posted rules.
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In all fairness, the guy gave you ample warning, and you completely disregarded it
 
aleshanee said:
nobody should have to..... a saved person would know exactly what being a christian means......
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Saved or not, one knows exactly what a Christian is, and it's the broader definition upon which I expounded.
aleshanee said:
but a troll on the other hand... or someone just trying to entertain himself at the forums expense.... will say anything.... whether it is true or not.....
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Which is not something I have done.
aleshanee said:
but if it will get a straight answer from you.... and i highly doubt it will..... . then fine.. ..... what are your beliefs on salvation?.......
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My beliefs on salvation:

One is saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Christ was our substitute. On the Cross He bore our sins in His own body, and paid the penalty we owed.

If one will confess with his mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in his heart that God has raised Him from the dead, then he will be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.
 
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