Euthanasia And Sanctity Of Life
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Going back to 1982 (and several years prior as an HAC Bible major), I wonder how many sermons this old Fundy missionary preached on the topics of murder, abortion, violence, etc. But when life gets tough, he decides to play the role of God and blast his wife’s head off with a shotgun before doing the same to himself. I bet he was a tyrant of a husband and decided he was in charge, not God.
Quite frankly I find it disgusting that so many are expressing “sympathy” and sadness instead of outrage. This guy committed double murder (God calls suicide as such). I hope his family is eternally ashamed of their father and grandfather. My only sympathy is for Ms. Linda. I’m sure Mark has some thing to answer for.
Quite frankly I find it disgusting that so many are expressing “sympathy” and sadness instead of outrage. This guy committed double murder (God calls suicide as such). I hope his family is eternally ashamed of their father and grandfather. My only sympathy is for Ms. Linda. I’m sure Mark has some thing to answer for.
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Well said I'm thinking the same thing. His family must be in shock. Praying for them. They weren't that old.
What is the "some things to answer for" mean.
We are all sinners and deserve Hell but its the grace and mercy of God that allows us to go to heaven. If he was saved his sin(s) are under the blood just as our are. Was she begining to suffer? was she in Hospice? I'm not justifing anything but I don't know the circumstances so thats that.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
;For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Don’t turn this into a “we’re all sinners and deserve hell” argument. Are you actually rationalizing a man who murdered his wife and then himself?
A. Murder is sin in the eyes of God.
B. Murder is a crime in the eyes of the government.
C. Neither the Bible nor the state statutes allow the murder of a spouse for mental or physical distress.
D. If his wife was in hospice, does it make it morally and legally acceptable to grab the nearest shotgun and blast her head off? If she was in hospice, I think it makes the situation even worse!
E. If you believe his actions are justified, I hope you are an advocate for human euthanasia and abortion. If not, zip your lips.
F. Even if you feel that his actions might be justified as a “compassionate killing,” how do you morally justify him ending his own life?
G. The fact that I have to even spell this out for you tells me volumes, and I hope it’s not a sign that you might also decide to one day play the role of God with someone’s life.
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My point is he is dead so he has nothing to answer for here on earth.
If he was saved and every in dication, before this terrible incident, indicates he was he has nothing to answer for in heaven. The term its under the blood does have significance. Do you believe born again believers have things to answer for in Heaven or at the jusgment. I'm not justifying his actions unless she was in intense pain that hospice could not help with but its under the bridge at this point. If he did not know before he died his actions were very wrong he knows it now.
Do you believe he will have to answer for his actions in heaven? Reference verse?
Since he is now dead this verse comes to mind.
Matt 7:1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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Seem such an unchristian view to take. We have no idea what was going on in his or his wifes head. Yes it was wrong and if she did not beg him to end her life it was full blown murder in my mind, but to judge a mans entire life by a very wrong decision he made in a very difficult time of his life seems equally wrong. Perhaps the world will judge your life and your wifes life based on the mistakes you may make. None of us agree with his actions, but to hope his family is forever ashamed of him seems wrong as well. I will pry for all involved and pray in a time of crisis I will have better judgment.
I have often thought if someone were to hurt or abuse one of my children it would be hard to not take matters into my own hands. This would be wrong and illegal, but I often wonder if I would have the restraint to allow the justice system to handle it. If I did use poor judgement I would not want my family to be ashamed of me or have the near perfect pharisees judge me in the court of the FFF.
There but for the grace of God go I
I’m in my 40s, but I’m old enough to remember the media firestorm surrounding Dr. Jack Kevorkian AKA, “Dr. Death.” I’m also able to recall hearing my Christian parents, various adult church members, and our pastor (and visiting preachers) strongly condemning his actions and warning it was a sign of the future.
My goodness, how far we’ve fallen, when so-called steadfast conservative Christians are on the fence about whether it’s morally acceptable to murder people who God has not yet chosen to call home. And moreover, we’ve got people on a fundamental Christian forum cheering on such logic in full agreement.
I refuse to have a conversation about the nuances of the Judgement Seat with someone who is on the fence about murder.
Oh, and for you cheerleaders of the Got Questions website, let’s see how they feel about this matter: https://www.gotquestions.org/euthanasia.html
I don't see any agreement in this thread with the guy's decision. All I see is outright condemnation, the kind reserved for only One Judge, and I see shock mingled with disbelief as to how someone who spent most of his life in ministry could have conceived such an action. There's also a very healthy attitude of, "what would I have done if I were faced with this?"
Do you have any idea how stupid your logic is?
The fact that he spent his career in ministry prior to committing murder and suicide doesn’t discount anything. How many preachers spent a lifetime in ministry and were later found to be pedophiles or homosexuals in the closet or any number of other things?
And yes, I am shocked, appalled and do condemn. But this isn’t just a little local story, it made TV and internet news: https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-woman-dead-apparent-murder-152459199.html
If you can’t see how Sword has taken a squishy soft response to this, then you need to get your eyes checked (or do some major praying yourself). These two quotes clearly leave ample room for “murder might be justified.” It’s curious though, that neither of you have still confronted the question of, even if his wife’s murder is justified, then where does his self-inflicted murder fit into God’s will.
Since Got Questions didn’t do you any favors, I’ll wait for the scriptural references with bated breath.
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Missionary Mark Sigstad’s recent murder of his wife, Linda (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...-old-man-woman-in-merrillville-in/ar-AA1IEFTC), has shown that we now have some Christians who believe it is morally acceptable to play the role of Dr. Jack Kevorkian, and to assist in the death of someone else. There seem to be no clearly defined parameters of this role, so I’m wondering if anything goes: a shotgun blast, a knifing, maybe running over someone with a car, etc. For those who support euthanasia, what are the ethics involved with this role?
I’ve also wondered about the possibility of what constitutes an acceptable end-of-life scenario for killing somebody. Does the requester need to be at a certain threshold of pain? If diseased, does a stage 2 or 3 qualify? What about a heathy young adult like Aurelia Brouwers (https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163.amp) in her 20s who just doesn’t want to live due to “mental health challenges.” Is it acceptable to kill her?
Let’s dive into this. For all of you solid, conservative Christians, let’s start with a take from the Baptist corner of the room: https://baptistcourier.com/2017/03/worldview-euthanasia-and-sanctity-of-life/
I’d welcome just one or two verses from God’s Word to validate your stance that there’s wiggle room for deciding the death date of another person’s life from your own volition.
Also, I’d like to take this a step further and ask you to explain how you can be anti-abortion but pro-euthanasia.
I’ve also wondered about the possibility of what constitutes an acceptable end-of-life scenario for killing somebody. Does the requester need to be at a certain threshold of pain? If diseased, does a stage 2 or 3 qualify? What about a heathy young adult like Aurelia Brouwers (https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163.amp) in her 20s who just doesn’t want to live due to “mental health challenges.” Is it acceptable to kill her?
Let’s dive into this. For all of you solid, conservative Christians, let’s start with a take from the Baptist corner of the room: https://baptistcourier.com/2017/03/worldview-euthanasia-and-sanctity-of-life/
I’d welcome just one or two verses from God’s Word to validate your stance that there’s wiggle room for deciding the death date of another person’s life from your own volition.
Also, I’d like to take this a step further and ask you to explain how you can be anti-abortion but pro-euthanasia.
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I guess Sigstadt should have done it like a family I knew did it.
The grandma had dementia for many years to the point she could not eat by herself anymore
She got bed sores b/c of neglect and she was in pain.
So, the family got together along with the rest home and hospice and took her off of all nourishment except for morphine.
She died in 4 days.
The (cough cough) humane way to do it.
The grandma had dementia for many years to the point she could not eat by herself anymore
She got bed sores b/c of neglect and she was in pain.
So, the family got together along with the rest home and hospice and took her off of all nourishment except for morphine.
She died in 4 days.
The (cough cough) humane way to do it.
Do you mean the legal way to do it, as in following the orders of a living will versus taking matters into your own hands and shooting your spouse like the old family dog?
Or do you mean allowing specialized medical personnel attend to her and being able to hold your head up with dignity upon her death versus having to kill yourself because you know you’re now facing life imprisonment or lethal injection by the state for your deeds?
Can you be more specific?
By the way, I can’t help but wonder how many of you would have reacted if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Linda who blasted her husband dead instead of the husband doing the deed.
OK, let’s not forget our Catholic brothers and sisters in this exchange. Like the above-mentioned Baptists, they consider euthanasia a sin! I love this quote: “The culture of death, which chants, “My body, my life, my choice” also chants—by the same logic—”My body, my death, my choice.” Just as pro-abortion groups use the word choice in their names, pro-euthanasia groups call themselves by names such as “Choice in Dying.” In both cases, death is being sold as a product, and its salespersons have to make it look better than the alternative.” https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/what-about-the-right-to-die
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Can I muddy the waters right from the start?
In vitro fertilization creates multiple embryos. Not all a used at the time of implantation. The remaining embryos are usually frozen for future use.
If life begins at conception(I believe it does), what is the proper way to deal with these left over lives?
In vitro fertilization creates multiple embryos. Not all a used at the time of implantation. The remaining embryos are usually frozen for future use.
If life begins at conception(I believe it does), what is the proper way to deal with these left over lives?
IVF is morally unacceptable, but we must love any child produced by such means as IVF, just as we should love a child produced from a single mother or abandoned at a fire station.
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Since we are made in the image of God (Gen 1:26-27) no one has the right to take away human life. “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image (Gen 9:6). The Noahic Covenant is unconditional and is still in effect.
On abortion in the Bible if a man hurt a woman who was with child but didn’t cause a miscarriage, he was to be punished by whatever the woman’s husband laid on him and would pay whatever the judge decided. However, if the unborn child died by him harming her, he was to be put to death (Exodus 21:22-23).
The ammonites were harshly judged by God and one of the sins involved ripping open pregnant Israelite women to keep the population under control in hopes of conquering the Israelite city of Gilead (Amos 1:13-14).
The only practice that one might consider a gray area is the no resuscitation order some have put in their wills or those who refuse medical treatment because of suffering with cancer or some other debilitating disease.
“Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD” (Job 1:21).
On abortion in the Bible if a man hurt a woman who was with child but didn’t cause a miscarriage, he was to be punished by whatever the woman’s husband laid on him and would pay whatever the judge decided. However, if the unborn child died by him harming her, he was to be put to death (Exodus 21:22-23).
The ammonites were harshly judged by God and one of the sins involved ripping open pregnant Israelite women to keep the population under control in hopes of conquering the Israelite city of Gilead (Amos 1:13-14).
The only practice that one might consider a gray area is the no resuscitation order some have put in their wills or those who refuse medical treatment because of suffering with cancer or some other debilitating disease.
“Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD” (Job 1:21).
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I can write on this with experiential authority. Alayboy was the product of natural conception (but nonetheless our "miracle child"). We grappled with undiagnosed infertility for about 10 years before going the IVF route, with no viable pregnancies. When counseled by our doctors we were given the "option" of destroying any unused embryos. We made it absolutely clear that no embryo would be destroyed/aborted. If it had came to that decision of what to do, our choice was either to have more children implanted, or potentially allow them to be adopted.
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Why?