it happens here in hawaii too..... especially if they came to escape winter weather somewhere else... end up here during one of the rainy seasons - and it rains the entire time they are here..... .....we use to see a lot of very angry tourists in waikiki.... and angry at everybody... as if it was our fault the weather didn;t cooperate with their plans....
but one of the weirdest things i have seen concerning hawaii not living up to tourists dreams is people who even in this 21st century come here expecting to see everybody living in grass shacks and walking around wearing hula skirts and coconut shell bikini tops.... .. ..i have actually encountered people who said that was their biggest disappointment about hawaii - it was too modernized..
it happens here in hawaii too..... especially if they came to escape winter weather somewhere else... end up here during one of the rainy seasons - and it rains the entire time they are here..... .....we use to see a lot of very angry tourists in waikiki.... and angry at everybody... as if it was our fault the weather didn;t cooperate with their plans....
but one of the weirdest things i have seen concerning hawaii not living up to tourists dreams is people who even in this 21st century come here expecting to see everybody living in grass shacks and walking around wearing hula skirts and coconut shell bikini tops.... .. ..i have actually encountered people who said that was their biggest disappointment about hawaii - it was too modernized..
I was actually talking to someone recently who said she was disappointed with Hawaii. She said it was basically Florida with mountains. I don’t remember which island she visited, but she said it was way too expensive and overrated in her book. Still, I’d love to visit, and plan to, but it might be a several years before it happens.
I was actually talking to someone recently who said she was disappointed with Hawaii. She said it was basically Florida with mountains. I don’t remember which island she visited, but she said it was way too expensive and overrated in her book. Still, I’d love to visit, and plan to, but it might be a several years before it happens.
i never heard hawaii being called florida with mountains before... . or even being compared to florida at all... ...most people that use to come here in the past went away with the impression they had been to a third world country or something closer to asia or the philipines that the united states..... some mainland tourists get really upset when they come here and think they are hearing more foriegn languages being spoken than english.... .. what;s funny is that in some of those instances what they are hearing is actually english... or at the worst pidgin english..... but the accent and pronounciation is either really bad or just entirely different than what they are accustomed to....
but it is changing.... more mainlanders are moving here all the time and more and more local people are choosing to move away..... eventually it might actually be no different than florida with mountains.... especially if people keep trying to smuggle their pet snakes and lizards in
i never heard hawaii being called florida with mountains before... . or even being compared to florida at all... ...most people that use to come here in the past went away with the impression they had been to a third world country or something closer to asia or the philipines that the united states..... some mainland tourists get really upset when they come here and think they are hearing more foriegn languages being spoken than english.... .. what;s funny is that in some of those instances what they are hearing is actually english... or at the worst pidgin english..... but the accent and pronounciation is either really bad or just entirely different than what they are accustomed to....
but it is changing.... more mainlanders are moving here all the time and more and more local people are choosing to move away..... eventually it might actually be no different than florida with mountains.... especially if people keep trying to smuggle their pet snakes and lizards in
I should add that I also got the impression that this lady was being a bit braggadocios about all of the places she’d visited compared to me, so it’s possible she was just exaggerating for effect.
Outside of a childhood visit to Mexico (which I remember) and Canada (which I was too young to remember), and a couple of cruises from Florida to the Bahamas and Western Caribbean, I haven’t done much traveling. However, Hawaii, Alaska, and Cuba (when legal) are on my bucket list. The only country in Europe I’ve ever been interested in visiting is Switzerland.
I should add that I also got the impression that this lady was being a bit braggadocios about all of the places she’d visited compared to me, so it’s possible she was just exaggerating for effect.
Outside of a childhood visit to Mexico (which I remember) and Canada (which I was too young to remember), and a couple of cruises from Florida to the Bahamas and Western Caribbean, I haven’t done much traveling. However, Hawaii, Alaska, and Cuba (when legal) are on my bucket list. The only country in Europe I’ve ever been interested in visiting is Switzerland.
most of the travel i;ve done since moving here is various places on the west coast... to where ever family was and the hunting trip to washington.... buti think switzerland would be an awesome place to visit.. . i also want to visit scotland an also wales some day... mostly to see castles - hadrians wall.. and those kinds of things... ...but that kind of travel is expensive and i don;t want to go there by airline... so it;s probably never going to happen even if we could afford it.... i have never been to mexico but on one occasion in santa cruz california i was told by an irate redneck to go back there... (he was angry coz i was helping hold the last table until other famiy came back with food...)...
i have made 2 trips with my sister when she was on work related business that was not critical or dangerous.... one was to japan... and the other was to brazil right before the olympics started in 2016.. she sent for me when things in her work slowed down 2 weeks prior to the start . but i had to come back home before the olympics got underway coz she couldn;t be distracted from work and that;s when her job was the busiest... .... it was an awesome trip - but the beach and water at rio de janerio was disgusting.... i wasn;t all that disappointed coz i had been warned about it in advance..... plus swimming wasn;t what i wanted to do there anyway.... it was to see the amazon rainforest.. even if it was just a small portion of it.....
most of the travel i;ve done since moving here is various places on the west coast... to where ever family was and the hunting trip to washington.... buti think switzerland would be an awesome place to visit.. . i also want to visit scotland an also wales some day... mostly to see castles - hadrians wall.. and those kinds of things... ...but that kind of travel is expensive and i don;t want to go there by airline... so it;s probably never going to happen even if we could afford it.... i have never been to mexico but on one occasion in santa cruz california i was told by an irate redneck to go back there... (he was angry coz i was helping hold the last table until other famiy came back with food...)...
i have made 2 trips with my sister when she was on work related business that was not critical or dangerous.... one was to japan... and the other was to brazil right before the olympics started in 2016.. she sent for me when things in her work slowed down 2 weeks prior to the start . but i had to come back home before the olympics got underway coz she couldn;t be distracted from work and that;s when her job was the busiest... .... it was an awesome trip - but the beach and water at rio de janerio was disgusting.... i wasn;t all that disappointed coz i had been warned about it in advance..... plus swimming wasn;t what i wanted to do there anyway.... it was to see the amazon rainforest.. even if it was just a small portion of it.....
Thanks for the reminder, Brazil for me as well, but I have no interest in visiting anywhere except Manaus and doing a river cruise on the Amazon. I’ve lived near the Atlantic Ocean my entire life, so seeing the beaches isn’t special to me, although I’ve heard they have some killer beach dune buggy rides on the massive sand dunes down there.
i never heard hawaii being called florida with mountains before... . or even being compared to florida at all... ...most people that use to come here in the past went away with the impression they had been to a third world country or something closer to asia or the philipines that the united states..... some mainland tourists get really upset when they come here and think they are hearing more foriegn languages being spoken than english.... .. what;s funny is that in some of those instances what they are hearing is actually english... or at the worst pidgin english..... but the accent and pronounciation is either really bad or just entirely different than what they are accustomed to....
but it is changing.... more mainlanders are moving here all the time and more and more local people are choosing to move away..... eventually it might actually be no different than florida with mountains.... especially if people keep trying to smuggle their pet snakes and lizards in
My last visit to Hawaii was 1986 back when I was in the Navy. For me, Hawaii seemed like a larger, more developed version of Guam (of which I was stationed a couple of years prior). You actually had freeways (H1 and H2) and it took much longer to drive all the way around Oahu than it did for Guam. It did not, however, seem at all like the Philippines! There were no Jeepneys or trikes and no one on the side of the road trying to sell balut!
I remember pulling into Pearl Harbor towards the end of our WESTPAC '86 cruise. It was our first time back on "American Soil" and as we passed through "Battleship Row," we rendered honors to all of the ships that were sunk and the men who died during the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It was pretty cool actually.
My last visit to Hawaii was 1986 back when I was in the Navy. For me, Hawaii seemed like a larger, more developed version of Guam (of which I was stationed a couple of years prior). You actually had freeways (H1 and H2) and it took much longer to drive all the way around Oahu than it did for Guam. It did not, however, seem at all like the Philippines! There were no Jeepneys or trikes and no one on the side of the road trying to sell balut!
I remember pulling into Pearl Harbor towards the end of our WESTPAC '86 cruise. It was our first time back on "American Soil" and as we passed through "Battleship Row," we rendered honors to all of the ships that were sunk and the men who died during the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It was pretty cool actually.
Main thing I want to see in Hawaii is the USS Arizona. Maybe a traditional luau, not one geared toward tourists, and then come back with a huge sack of macadamia nuts. I'd like to try the authentic Kona coffee to see if it's all that it's cracked up to be. If so, come back with some of that too.
I wanted to take Mrs. abcaines there when she retires next year but she isn't interested, so, priority for that trip has fallen.
Mark Twain certainly thought Hawaii to be a paradise, and interestingly enough he credited the Christian Missionaries for making it so.
Those were savage times when this old slaughter-house was in its prime. The King and the chiefs ruled the common herd with a rod of iron; made them gather all the provisions the masters needed; build all the houses and temples; stand all the expenses, of whatever kind; take kicks and cuffs for thanks; drag out lives well flavored with misery, and then suffer death for trifling offences or yield up their lives on the sacrificial altars to purchase favors from the gods for their hard rulers. The missionaries have clothed them, educated them, broken up the tyrannous authority of their chiefs, and given them freedom and the right to enjoy whatever their hands and brains produce with equal laws for all, and punishment for all alike who transgress them. The contrast is so strong—the benefit conferred upon this people by the missionaries is so prominent, so palpable and so unquestionable, that the frankest compliment I can pay them, and the best, is simply to point to the condition of the Sandwich Islanders of Captain Cook’s time, and their condition to-day.
Mark Twain certainly thought Hawaii to be a paradise, and interestingly enough he credited the Christian Missionaries for making it so.
Those were savage times when this old slaughter-house was in its prime. The King and the chiefs ruled the common herd with a rod of iron; made them gather all the provisions the masters needed; build all the houses and temples; stand all the expenses, of whatever kind; take kicks and cuffs for thanks; drag out lives well flavored with misery, and then suffer death for trifling offences or yield up their lives on the sacrificial altars to purchase favors from the gods for their hard rulers. The missionaries have clothed them, educated them, broken up the tyrannous authority of their chiefs, and given them freedom and the right to enjoy whatever their hands and brains produce with equal laws for all, and punishment for all alike who transgress them. The contrast is so strong—the benefit conferred upon this people by the missionaries is so prominent, so palpable and so unquestionable, that the frankest compliment I can pay them, and the best, is simply to point to the condition of the Sandwich Islanders of Captain Cook’s time, and their condition to-day.
mark twain was exactly right in his assessment of the way the hawaiian chiefs and the alii made hawaii into a slaughter house... . and the christian missionaries did great things for the hawaiian people when they arrived... had that been the end of the story and no other foreigners with influence came into hawaii it would have been great.... hawaii would probably still be an independent nation and a christian nation too....
but when the missionaries came they also opened the door for big business to come in... and businessmen saw the hawaiian people as nothing but cheap labor... or in some cases slave labor.... and they saw the missionaries as a means to keep the hawaiians pacified and submissive to the work.... in many ways they proved to be almost as tyrannical as the ancient chiefs had been... .. then as hawaiians of the working class began to die off from imported diseases they had no resistance to - big business started importing impoverished foreigners from asia to work in the fields.... eventually the number of imported asian workers began to outnumber the native hawaiians....
missionaries who had resisted some of the more sinister plans of big business at first... later joined them when their family members and descendants saw chances to become wealthy themselves.. ....... today the last names of the richest landowners in hawaii include just as many names of missionaries families as they do those names of the first businessmen who came here.....
but hawaii is still a paradise... . compared to the rest of the world.... all the people who came here from the missionaries on, made changes to hawaii in one way or another.... some were good changes and some were not..... but they couldn;t change everything.. what made hawaii a paradise back then is still here... you just have to look past the 21st century noise to see it....
My last visit to Hawaii was 1986 back when I was in the Navy. For me, Hawaii seemed like a larger, more developed version of Guam (of which I was stationed a couple of years prior). You actually had freeways (H1 and H2) and it took much longer to drive all the way around Oahu than it did for Guam. It did not, however, seem at all like the Philippines! There were no Jeepneys or trikes and no one on the side of the road trying to sell balut!
I remember pulling into Pearl Harbor towards the end of our WESTPAC '86 cruise. It was our first time back on "American Soil" and as we passed through "Battleship Row," we rendered honors to all of the ships that were sunk and the men who died during the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It was pretty cool actually.
meant to ask you this before.... but are you a shellback?.... ..... we have 2 of them now in our family.... . one of them gave me a spare shellback challenge coin he had..... pretty awesome.... but i don;t carry it around seeing as i;m still just a pollywog...
by the way.... if it was legal to weld 2 or 3 different junk vehicles together and register them to drive on the road you would see jeepneys and many other kinds of workshop vehicles in hawaii..... but the absence of those alone does not negate the cultural atmosphere people from the philipines have brought here with them and kept alive in parts of the islands they settled in........... you probably did not visit all parts of oahu or you might have seen that.... you also would have seen roadside vendors in some parts of the islands selling all kinds of foods from both hawaiian and other cultures that you either can;t find in the store or is too expensive in a store.... but you won;t find them near military bases or the places military personnel are generally authorized to travel..... roadside vendors usually don;t sell balut because balut is sold in many of the supermarkets.... and it;s cheap....
but it wasn;t my observation that hawaii was anything like the philipines... i have never been to the philipines and wouldn;t know anyway .... that was the observation of other people who have visited both places and didn;t like either one.... ..but personally i don;t care what they think.... if they don;t like hawaii they are welcome to stay away....
......... , I haven’t done much traveling. However, Hawaii, Alaska, and Cuba (when legal) are on my bucket list. The only country in Europe I’ve ever been interested in visiting is Switzerland.
what many don;t realize.. even among those working the tourist trade in hawaii.... is that the closure of cuba in the early 1960s is what gave the hawaiian tourist industry it;s start..... prior to that cuba was a major destination for americans wanting to vacation on a tropical island with unspoiled beaches... ... then continued restrictions and embargos of cuba right up to this day are what has kept the hawaiian tourist industry going strong..... ..
that fact might be lost on those working in the industry here but it;s not lost on the people who run the hawaiian tourist industry... and it wasn;t lost on our previous senators inoyue and akaka either.... they were 2 of the biggest proponents for keeping cuba off limits to american travellers..... and fears that current law makers might change it are why the tourist industry has now switched from promoting u.s. mainland travel to hawaii - and started soliciting for tourists from japan.. korea... and even china instead.... .....
it;s all a big money game... with the ruination of islands and beaches in the mix..... ..cuba would actually love to see american tourism again and most americans who have actually seen cuba and witnessed first hand how it was spared the destruction rampant tourism did to other places like hawaii would love to go there - rather than any other place..... ...in many ways cuba is a lot like hawaii was in the 1950s... ....but it won;t be for long.. most of the rest of the world is free to go there any time they like.... and in time it will change just like every other "paradise" that gets over loved and overrun.....