TimbauxRioux said:AmazedbyGrace said:The way my former church taught Faith Promise Giving (via Chappell, Don Sisk, and Daddy Gibbs) was that we should pray for an amount to give...and not just settle for what, you know, God had actually provided us with - but with some larger amount. An amount large enough to show we had faith. Then God was supposed to honor our faith and provide the offering for us. Cause "we have not because we ask not". Yes, we were supposed to put God to the test.
So very wrong in so many ways.
Why is it the members were supposed to over give their account balances by faith, while the church leaders wanted to operate by sight?
Not shocking at all considering Chappell's faithless, 64-step fundraising method for his never-ending building programs:
http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2014/08/fundraising-in-sixty-four-simple-spirit-led-steps/
they gave us a card to fill out and make a vow. I wrote.. i am self employed, i will give what i can, when i can. I am sure they knew it was I who put that card in the offering plate.
i have an idea..how about dropping the annual anniversary and birthday gift for the pastor..(in my church.. a total of about $20,000) and giving THAT to faith promise?
groupie said:Skip the start a church and just train some nationals to start the church.
God already had those men "in the chamber", before He sent the missionary there.groupie said:If a missionary is seeking out men to train to reach their people, God will make it happen.
BALAAM said:For years my practice was to try and set aside a certain amount of money over and above my normal giving that was exclusively for missions. I never signed a pledge card or anything like that.
When FBCH started their team missions program and consequently their faith promise giving I gave it up because I got so turned off. Twice a year they would have a faith promise drive and the pressure was unbelievable. They had idiots up there talking about money and how God would replace it and bless you if you only had faith. Stories of how people gave a certain amount how God replaced the exact amount to the penny. I used to think, "Why don't you just give it all then? Where is your faith?"
I also began to see missionaries who I didn't know who were appointed to these teams and I began to see them on the field, home, on the field, home, pastoring a church, etc. and never knew what was going on with them. In Africa and China, home for a conference, home for a wedding, home to see their kids off to college. I also began to see the church sending a complete entourage to many of these countries and often for some type of conference or seminar. Dozens of people jetting off to China, Africa, Thailand and I know they didn't have the money to travel there by themselves.
I decided that I would give any excess money directly to a missionary I believed in instead of to the large 'black hole' that became missions at fbch.
BALAAM said: When FBCH started their team missions program and consequently their faith promise giving I gave it up because I got so turned off. Twice a year they would have a faith promise drive and the pressure was unbelievable. They had idiots up there talking about money and how God would replace it and bless you if you only had faith. Stories of how people gave a certain amount how God replaced the exact amount to the penny....