Fake Media Stories

[Jim Jones]

Here is a story that is far from fake:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/30/obamas-party-and-its-bitter-reckoning/

Quote from the article:

This year, however, without Mr. Obama on the ticket, Americans finally felt free to reject another four years of high unemployment, anemic economic growth, unsustainable spending and record-breaking deficits and debt, unpopular and bankrupting socialized medicine, record numbers of people on food stamps and living in poverty, and the escalating threats of nuclear and other proliferation and Islamic fundamentalism.

Wrong. Clinton had way more of the popular vote than Trump. It wasn't the "Americans" who "finally felt free to reject another four years" but rather the Americans with the most Electoral College votes. The issue is "which" Americans rejected Obama's time vs. the "number of" Americans.

"Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats,? Cooper tweeted. ?That's some legacy.? Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy."

No doubt. Still the Dems won the popular vote for the White House so the point the article was making based on quantitative votes is nothing but a straw man.

You reject all writers who didn't quote Jesus and dismiss our constitutional republic too I.e. Electoral college.

The next thing will be our English alphabet. You know what I'm talking about too. Sometimes "Y"?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

You reject all writers who didn't quote Jesus...

Nope. Not true at all. I reject the 'divine authoritative' premise but that doesn't mean I reject everything not in red letters.

...and dismiss our constitutional republic too I.e. Electoral college.

The Constitution has needed to be amended through history. Times have changed so the EC has since become discriminatory against the poor. No fault of those who instituted it originally.

The next thing will be our English alphabet. You know what I'm talking about too. Sometimes "Y"?

I think I need more clues than what you are saying. I don't know to what you are inferring. Are you suggesting "Y" should or should not be a vowel in the grammatical sense? Not sure what that would have to do with anything...

 

[Jim Jones]

You reject all writers who didn't quote Jesus...

Nope. Not true at all. I reject the 'divine authoritative' premise but that doesn't mean I reject everything not in red letters.

...and dismiss our constitutional republic too I.e. Electoral college.

The Constitution has needed to be amended through history. Times have changed so the EC has since become discriminatory against the poor. No fault of those who instituted it originally.

The next thing will be our English alphabet. You know what I'm talking about too. Sometimes "Y"?

I think I need more clues than what you are saying. I don't know to what you are inferring. Are you suggesting "Y" should or should not be a vowel in the grammatical sense? Not sure what that would have to do with anything...

Your use of the term 'divine authoritative' is simply left to humane selection as to which words reach that level. When Jesus quoted OT prophets, are those prophets words 'divine authoritative?'

As far as the constitution? Using a majority vote alone will allow 4 states to determine the outcome of the presidential election. That premise will allow even more disenfranchisement of the poor.

The'Y' thing? Figure it out.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Your use of the term 'divine authoritative' is simply left to humane selection as to which words reach that level. When Jesus quoted OT prophets, are those prophets words 'divine authoritative?'

Jesus also quoted from Wisdom 3:7, Tobit 4:16 and referenced Sirach 2:15-16. Do you believe these books are "divine authoritative"?

As far as the constitution? Using a majority vote alone will allow 4 states to determine the outcome of the presidential election. That premise will allow even more disenfranchisement of the poor.

Majority vote means every single vote contains the same weight. So what if 4 states determine the outcome of the election? If that is where the majority of the people are, then so be it. Ya know, "the will of the people" and that kinda thing...

The'Y' thing? Figure it out.

I honestly have no clue so I guess I will let it go, since you are all cryptic about it.

 

[Jim Jones]

Your use of the term 'divine authoritative' is simply left to humane selection as to which words reach that level. When Jesus quoted OT prophets, are those prophets words 'divine authoritative?'

Jesus also quoted from Wisdom 3:7, Tobit 4:16 and referenced Sirach 2:15-16. Do you believe these books are "divine authoritative"?

As far as the constitution? Using a majority vote alone will allow 4 states to determine the outcome of the presidential election. That premise will allow even more disenfranchisement of the poor.

Majority vote means every single vote contains the same weight. So what if 4 states determine the outcome of the election? If that is where the majority of the people are, then so be it.

The'Y' thing? Figure it out.

I honestly have no clue so I guess I will let it go, since you are all cryptic about it.

Those references you cite are not direct quotes at all. Kinda cryptic as well as my "Y" reference.

As far as the will of the people? That's the beauty of a republic. Kinda like having a document that you can trust.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Your use of the term 'divine authoritative' is simply left to humane selection as to which words reach that level. When Jesus quoted OT prophets, are those prophets words 'divine authoritative?'

Jesus also quoted from Wisdom 3:7, Tobit 4:16 and referenced Sirach 2:15-16. Do you believe these books are "divine authoritative"?

As far as the constitution? Using a majority vote alone will allow 4 states to determine the outcome of the presidential election. That premise will allow even more disenfranchisement of the poor.

Majority vote means every single vote contains the same weight. So what if 4 states determine the outcome of the election? If that is where the majority of the people are, then so be it.

The'Y' thing? Figure it out.

I honestly have no clue so I guess I will let it go, since you are all cryptic about it.

Those references you cite are not direct quotes at all. Kinda cryptic as well as my "Y" reference.

As far as the will of the people? That's the beauty of a republic. Kinda like having a document that you can trust.

Quotes from one language to another cannot always be translated word-for-word. (Compare Luke 4:17-19 with Isaiah 61:1.)

Now concerning the Apocryphal passages I listed...

4:15 And what you hate, do not do to any one. (Tob)

7:12 So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets (Mt)

3:7 In the time of their visitation they will shine forth, and will run like sparks through the stubble. (Ws)

13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. (Mt)

2:15 Those who fear the Lord will not disobey his words, and those who love him will keep his ways. 2:16 Those who fear the Lord will seek his approval, and those who love him will be filled with the law. 2:17 Those who fear the Lord will prepare their hearts, and will humble themselves before him. 2:18 Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, but not into the hands of men; for as his majesty is, so also is his mercy. (Sir)

14:23 Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. (Jn)

But here is one where Jesus DID quote the OT yet denied its authoritative nature:

?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? (Lev. 24:17-21). But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil."

Did Jesus support the Law and Prophets? Yep. But only through HIS context. Jeremiah had taught the Law had been compromised (Jer. 8:8) so God promised the Law would eventually be written on the hearts of His people, not a specific 66-book canon (Jer. 31:33). I believe that the Holy Spirit is to bring to remembrance that which Jesus taught (John 14:26) and since it was Jesus' teachings the disciples were commissioned to give the world through the future until the end of time (Matthew 28:16-20), His teachings should be the filter through which His followers should run all spiritual teaching, including the OT and NT books and penmen. Doing this does not automatically negate their message itself but it certainly negates the 'authority' (divine inspiration) of their writings.

 

[biscuit1953]

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    ?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? (Lev. 24:17-21). But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil."
Smellin - Did Jesus support the Law and Prophets? Yep. But only through HIS context. Jeremiah had taught the Law had been compromised (Jer. 8:8) so God promised the Law would eventually be written on the hearts of His people, not a specific 66-book canon (Jer. 31:33). I believe that the Holy Spirit is to bring to remembrance that which Jesus taught (John 14:26) and since it was Jesus' teachings the disciples were commissioned to give the world through the future until the end of time (Matthew 28:16-20), His teachings should be the filter through which His followers should run all spiritual teaching, including the OT and NT books and penmen. Doing this does not automatically negate their message itself but it certainly negates the 'authority' (divine inspiration) of their writings.

Only an infidel who rejects the scriptures that he doesn?t agree with (which is idolatry) would twist what is obvious to someone with an open heart.  The Old Testament rendered judgments for civil law and not revenge for personal wrongs.  It ensured that punishment in civil cases fit the crime.  To use what Jesus taught to question the authority of other scriptures is straight from the pit of hell.

Jesus internalized the Law (cf the Sermon on the Mount) not abrogated it.  He showed that true observance must include internal as well as external obedience.  It isn?t enough not commit murder, but also to not hate (Matthew 5:21,22). 

Jesus was simply forbidding personal retaliation unlike Muhammad who used the sword to spread his message.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Quote
    ?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? (Lev. 24:17-21). But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil."
Smellin - Did Jesus support the Law and Prophets? Yep. But only through HIS context. Jeremiah had taught the Law had been compromised (Jer. 8:8) so God promised the Law would eventually be written on the hearts of His people, not a specific 66-book canon (Jer. 31:33). I believe that the Holy Spirit is to bring to remembrance that which Jesus taught (John 14:26) and since it was Jesus' teachings the disciples were commissioned to give the world through the future until the end of time (Matthew 28:16-20), His teachings should be the filter through which His followers should run all spiritual teaching, including the OT and NT books and penmen. Doing this does not automatically negate their message itself but it certainly negates the 'authority' (divine inspiration) of their writings.

Only an infidel who rejects the scriptures that he doesn?t agree with (which is idolatry) would twist what is obvious to someone with an open heart.  The Old Testament rendered judgments for civil law and not revenge for personal wrongs.  It ensured that punishment in civil cases fit the crime.  To use what Jesus taught to question the authority of other scriptures is straight from the pit of hell.

Jesus internalized the Law (cf the Sermon on the Mount) not abrogated it.  He showed that true observance must include internal as well as external obedience.  It isn?t enough not commit murder, but also to not hate (Matthew 5:21,22). 

Jesus was simply forbidding personal retaliation unlike Muhammad who used the sword to spread his message.

So Jesus used a passage which includes capital punishment and personal retaliation but wasn't talking about capital punishment. Hmmm...

If the OT is correct and capital punishment is to be met, then you must agree with the OT's reasons for capital punishment. Homosexuality, adultery, murder. This would also include the execution of rebellious children and lenders who charge interest (Ezekiel 18:13).

So are ya for executing kids who rebel against their parents as well as bankers and Wall Street lenders or are you too an 'infidel' for rejecting the biblical reasons for capital punishment?

 

[biscuit1953]

Quote
    ?You have heard that it was said, ?An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? (Lev. 24:17-21). But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil."
Smellin - Did Jesus support the Law and Prophets? Yep. But only through HIS context. Jeremiah had taught the Law had been compromised (Jer. 8:8) so God promised the Law would eventually be written on the hearts of His people, not a specific 66-book canon (Jer. 31:33). I believe that the Holy Spirit is to bring to remembrance that which Jesus taught (John 14:26) and since it was Jesus' teachings the disciples were commissioned to give the world through the future until the end of time (Matthew 28:16-20), His teachings should be the filter through which His followers should run all spiritual teaching, including the OT and NT books and penmen. Doing this does not automatically negate their message itself but it certainly negates the 'authority' (divine inspiration) of their writings.

Only an infidel who rejects the scriptures that he doesn?t agree with (which is idolatry) would twist what is obvious to someone with an open heart.  The Old Testament rendered judgments for civil law and not revenge for personal wrongs.  It ensured that punishment in civil cases fit the crime.  To use what Jesus taught to question the authority of other scriptures is straight from the pit of hell.

Jesus internalized the Law (cf the Sermon on the Mount) not abrogated it.  He showed that true observance must include internal as well as external obedience.  It isn?t enough not commit murder, but also to not hate (Matthew 5:21,22). 

Jesus was simply forbidding personal retaliation unlike Muhammad who used the sword to spread his message.

So Jesus used a passage which includes capital punishment and personal retaliation but wasn't talking about capital punishment. Hmmm...

If the OT is correct and capital punishment is to be met, then you must agree with the OT's reasons for capital punishment. Homosexuality, adultery, murder. This would also include the execution of rebellious children and lenders who charge interest (Ezekiel 18:13).

So are ya for executing kids who rebel against their parents as well as bankers and Wall Street lenders or are you too an 'infidel' for rejecting the biblical reasons for capital punishment?

There is a distinct difference between the ceremonial and civil laws which were types, shadows, and figures of the coming Christ and included the sacrificial system of the old covenant that required restrictions on what they ate and wore and the moral law.

Matthew 12:3-6  (NKJV)
3 But He said to them, ?Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 

Jesus said the scriptures cannot be broken and yet you say otherwise.  You are an idolater who will only accept the  God of your own imagination.

Another example is 2 Chronicles 29:31- 34  where there were not enough priests to make sacrifices so God allowed others to assist in that.  God will sometimes bend the ceremonial law according to circumstances (Jesus is God) but His moral law is written in stone and the hearts of men.  That He will not compromise.  The apostle Paul used the moral law to bring the knowledge of sin (ie the Ten Commandments, Romans 2:21-24).

 

[Smellin Coffee]

There is a distinct difference between the ceremonial and civil laws which were types, shadows, and figures of the coming Christ and included the sacrificial system of the old covenant that required restrictions on what they ate and wore and the moral law.

Matthew 12:3-6  (NKJV)
3 But He said to them, ?Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 

So in essence, you can choose which OT laws will pertain to you and to what extent, simply by suggesting one is a civil law and one is a ceremonial law. So you agree that capital punishment is moral based on OT law but refuse to apply the actual offenses which deems qualification of such. How is that a "type, shadow" or "figure" on the coming Christ?

Jesus said the scriptures cannot be broken and yet you say otherwise.  You are an idolater who will only accept the  God of your own imagination.

Two points:

1. Jesus was NOT referring to the 66-book canon in His word "scriptures".
2. Jeremiah said the Law had been corrupted in his day, so Jesus reintroduced the correct Law of God by living and teaching the parts God required.

Another example is 2 Chronicles 29:31- 34  where there were not enough priests to make sacrifices so God allowed others to assist in that.  God will sometimes bend the ceremonial law according to circumstances (Jesus is God) but His moral law is written in stone and the hearts of men.  That He will not compromise.  The apostle Paul used the moral law to bring the knowledge of sin (ie the Ten Commandments, Romans 2:21-24).

Another two points:

1. Where is the line of demarcation between civil, moral and ceremonial law? Is murder only a violation of civil law or is it moral? If the 10 commandments represented the moral law, then why not practice Sabbath as it is a part of it?

2. Jeremiah said scribes turned the Law into a lie. Then what can we believe? Let's start with sacrifices: where did Jesus teach about the need for sacrifices? Why did He forgive sins without having people go to the temple to offer sacrifices?

Jeremiah:

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ?Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this command I gave them: ?Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.? But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day. Yet they did not listen to me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.

Hosea:

For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God rather than burnt-offerings.

They love sacrifice; they sacrifice flesh and eat it; but the Lord has no delight in them.

Samuel:

Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.

The Psalmists:

Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired; My ears You have opened; Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.

For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

Solomon:

To do righteousness and justice Is desired by the LORD more than sacrifice.

Isaiah:

What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.

Micah:

With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?? He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Jesus:

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

All that to suggest perhaps the bloodthirstiness of God was not really of God but rather lies of scribes who may have been influenced during their time in Babylon. Perhaps the prophets tried to call Israel away from the idea of sacrificial atonement to bring them to TRUE obedience. Perhaps this is why the idea of salvific sacrifice has been omitted from the recorded teachings of Jesus, that perhaps He never taught it.

So if the OT record had been corrupted and Jesus truly "kept the Law" as it was originally intended by God, why do we have to go beyond His teaching to find moral truth?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

There is a distinct difference between the ceremonial and civil laws which were types, shadows, and figures of the coming Christ and included the sacrificial system of the old covenant that required restrictions on what they ate and wore and the moral law.

Matthew 12:3-6  (NKJV)
3 But He said to them, ?Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 

So in essence, you can choose which OT laws will pertain to you and to what extent, simply by suggesting one is a civil law and one is a ceremonial law. So you agree that capital punishment is moral based on OT law but refuse to apply the actual offenses which deems qualification of such. How is that a "type, shadow" or "figure" on the coming Christ?

Jesus said the scriptures cannot be broken and yet you say otherwise.  You are an idolater who will only accept the  God of your own imagination.

Two points:

1. Jesus was NOT referring to the 66-book canon in His word "scriptures".
2. Jeremiah said the Law had been corrupted in his day, so Jesus reintroduced the correct Law of God by living and teaching the parts God required.

Another example is 2 Chronicles 29:31- 34  where there were not enough priests to make sacrifices so God allowed others to assist in that.  God will sometimes bend the ceremonial law according to circumstances (Jesus is God) but His moral law is written in stone and the hearts of men.  That He will not compromise.  The apostle Paul used the moral law to bring the knowledge of sin (ie the Ten Commandments, Romans 2:21-24).

Another two points:

1. Where is the line of demarcation between civil, moral and ceremonial law? Is murder only a violation of civil law or is it moral? If the 10 commandments represented the moral law, then why not practice Sabbath as it is a part of it?

2. Jeremiah said scribes turned the Law into a lie. Then what can we believe? Let's start with sacrifices: where did Jesus teach about the need for sacrifices? Why did He forgive sins without having people go to the temple to offer sacrifices?

Jeremiah:

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ?Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this command I gave them: ?Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.? But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day. Yet they did not listen to me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.

Hosea:

For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God rather than burnt-offerings.

They love sacrifice; they sacrifice flesh and eat it; but the Lord has no delight in them.

Samuel:

Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.

The Psalmists:

Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired; My ears You have opened; Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.

For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

Solomon:

To do righteousness and justice Is desired by the LORD more than sacrifice.

Isaiah:

What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.

Micah:

With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?? He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Jesus:

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

All that to suggest perhaps the bloodthirstiness of God was not really of God but rather lies of scribes who may have been influenced during their time in Babylon. Perhaps the prophets tried to call Israel away from the idea of sacrificial atonement to bring them to TRUE obedience. Perhaps this is why the idea of salvific sacrifice has been omitted from the recorded teachings of Jesus, that perhaps He never taught it.

So if the OT record had been corrupted and Jesus truly "kept the Law" as it was originally intended by God, why do we have to go beyond His teaching to find moral truth?

I'm so happy that you and you alone have discovered the long hidden truth of Scripture, biblical truth...I meant canon of positive reinforcement truth, and now we finally know that Jesus didn't come to be the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. You have done Christianity a great service.

Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

Speaking on behalf of long confused and deceived Christianity, I want to thank you for sharing this truth here on this most fortunate and sincere forum!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

  Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

I am not alone in my beliefs.

Regardless of what I believe (belief about is different than belief in), Jesus said why He came:

Main reason:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, ?The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.? And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ?Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.?

This was emphasized by Christ when he sent message to John the Baptist:

Jesus replied, ?Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor.

Other statements He made concerning His purpose(s):

For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world?to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

 

[Jim Jones]

I'm going to stop reading the inspired words of cannon.

I'm completely turning the the table of my own heart.

 

[Ransom]

Speaking of fake news, scratch a hate crime, find a fake hate crime:

Muslim college student made up Trump supporter subway attack story to avoid punishment for missing curfew

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

  Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

I am not alone in my beliefs.

Regardless of what I believe (belief about is different than belief in), Jesus said why He came:

Main reason:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, ?The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.? And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ?Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.?

This was emphasized by Christ when he sent message to John the Baptist:

Jesus replied, ?Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor.

Other statements He made concerning His purpose(s):

For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world?to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

According to your Herman Neutic, we could also use these out of context verses...

"Judas hanged himself"
?Go and do likewise?
?That thou doest, do quickly?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

  Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

I am not alone in my beliefs.

Regardless of what I believe (belief about is different than belief in), Jesus said why He came:

Main reason:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, ?The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.? And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ?Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.?

This was emphasized by Christ when he sent message to John the Baptist:

Jesus replied, ?Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor.

Other statements He made concerning His purpose(s):

For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world?to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

According to your Herman Neutic, we could also use these out of context verses...

"Judas hanged himself"
?Go and do likewise?
?That thou doest, do quickly?

And there it is: all I did was quote Jesus' own recorded words about why He came. Not once is it recorded that He claimed to come to earth to die for the sins of the world.

The problem with Jesus is His teaching doesn't fit Christianity today.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

  Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

I am not alone in my beliefs.

Regardless of what I believe (belief about is different than belief in), Jesus said why He came:

Main reason:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, ?The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.? And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ?Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.?

This was emphasized by Christ when he sent message to John the Baptist:

Jesus replied, ?Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor.

Other statements He made concerning His purpose(s):

For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world?to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

According to your Herman Neutic, we could also use these out of context verses...

"Judas hanged himself"
?Go and do likewise?
?That thou doest, do quickly?

And there it is: all I did was quote Jesus' own recorded words about why He came. Not once is it recorded that He claimed to come to earth to die for the sins of the world.

The problem with Jesus is His teaching doesn't fit Christianity today.

Of course not..it's perfectly clear to you.
We all owe to a great debt!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

  Now, since you, and you alone, know why Jesus didn't come...let us know when you figure out exactly what His purpose in coming was.

I am not alone in my beliefs.

Regardless of what I believe (belief about is different than belief in), Jesus said why He came:

Main reason:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, ?The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.? And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ?Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.?

This was emphasized by Christ when he sent message to John the Baptist:

Jesus replied, ?Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor.

Other statements He made concerning His purpose(s):

For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world?to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

According to your Herman Neutic, we could also use these out of context verses...

"Judas hanged himself"
?Go and do likewise?
?That thou doest, do quickly?

And there it is: all I did was quote Jesus' own recorded words about why He came. Not once is it recorded that He claimed to come to earth to die for the sins of the world.

The problem with Jesus is His teaching doesn't fit Christianity today.

Of course not..it's perfectly clear to you.
We all owe to a great debt!

Nothing is owed to me.  Just pointing out what I believe He said and taught. Take it as you will. But beware: following Jesus alone just might cause any religious and political empires to fall from one's life.

Carry on with your sarcasm.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

SMELLIN:
Nothing is owed to me.  Just pointing out what I believe He said and taught. Take it as you will. But beware: following Jesus alone just might cause any religious and political empires to fall from one's life.

Carry on with your sarcasm.

What, exactly do you believe Jesus taught about salvation?
According to your revelation, He didn't teach or believe that His death and resurrection had any impact on salvation, so what did Jesus teach about how men could be saved? Will everyone ultimately end up in heaven?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

SMELLIN:
Nothing is owed to me.  Just pointing out what I believe He said and taught. Take it as you will. But beware: following Jesus alone just might cause any religious and political empires to fall from one's life.

Carry on with your sarcasm.

What, exactly do you believe Jesus taught about salvation?
According to your revelation, He didn't teach or believe that His death and resurrection had any impact on salvation, so what did Jesus teach about how men could be saved? Will everyone ultimately end up in heaven?

Jesus: ?Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.? (Agrees with Ecclesiastes: ??For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.?)

Jesus: ?Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.?

John: ?And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.?

John: ?But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.?

Jesus: ?He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.?

Jesus: ?Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.?

John: ?Happy [are] the ones doing His commandments, so that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter by the gates into the city.?

Jesus: ?I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent? The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.?

Jesus: ?I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.?

Jesus: ?He that loveth his life loseth it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will the Father honor.?

Jesus: ?So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.?

Jesus: ?Not everyone who says to me, ?Lord, Lord,? will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ?Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?? And then will I declare to them, ?I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.??

Jesus: ?Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ?My master is delayed in coming,? and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.?

Jesus: ?He that (keeps on) obeying unto the Son keeps on having eternal life, and he that (keeps on) disobeying toward the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God keeps on remaining on him.?

Jesus: ?When your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees can you enter the kingdom of heaven.?

Jesus: ?And every one that hath left houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or children, or lands, for my name?s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit eternal life.?

Jesus: ?Obey the commandments.? (Matthew 19:16-26; Mark 10:17-31; Luke 18:18-26)

Isaiah: ?Who among you fears the Lord and obeys His servant [Messiah]?... Watch out, you who walk in your own light and warm yourselves by your own fires. This is the reward you will receive from me [Yaweh]: You will soon lie down in great torment.?

James: ?You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.?

Jesus: ?Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven?Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth?Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy?Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God?Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God?Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.?

Jesus: ?But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.?

Jesus: ?But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.?