Fence-Ridging Francis

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I've never considered him a fence rider. He's a flat out lefty. A full on man pleaser. I'd call him apostate but I'm not sure he's ever been in the fold.
 
abcaines said:
I've never considered him a fence rider. He's a flat out lefty. A full on man pleaser. I'd call him apostate but I'm not sure he's ever been in the fold.
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If I were still a Cat-lick, I'd call him an apostate! He has definitely strayed from historic Catholicism! From an orthodox Christianity standpoint, the Roman Catholic Church has been apostate for the last 1500 or so years.
 
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The word "apostate" sounds so bad.
What, exactly, is an apostate? I've seen Muslims use that word as well.
What is an apostate?
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I think even if no one here is Catholic and we have different interpretations of Scripture, we can agree that, on the whole, traditionally Catholics have held similar worldview positions when it comes to many moral issues: abortion, homosexuality, marriage, etc.
 
Just been reading that Francis is the first Jesuit pope. Jesuits are not strangers to controversy within the Catholic Church... This may explain a bit.
 
abcaines said:
Just been reading that Francis is the first Jesuit pope. Jesuits are not strangers to controversy within the Catholic Church... This may explain a bit.
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Can you expound a bit on the significance of this? For starters, what is the difference between a Jesuit and non-Jesuit Catholic? Is this tantamount to a fundamental Baptist vs a Southern Baptist?
 
HukNduck said:
Can you expound a bit on the significance of this? For starters, what is the difference between a Jesuit and non-Jesuit Catholic? Is this tantamount to a fundamental Baptist vs a Southern Baptist?
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I guess you aren't familiar with J.T. Chick's attacks in his comic book tracts on the Catholic church, particularly, the Jesuits.

AJA, I had never heard of the Jesuits until I was exposed to J.T. Chick's literature.

About as concise yet complete a history of the Jesuit branch of the RCC is found on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits

Another article is found on Britannica.com: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Jesuits

Jesuits aren't a denomination within the RCC but more like a mission board. They remain under the authority of the Papacy however, they have been known to have their own take on theological or social issues which sometimes put them at odds with the Pope.

If the differing philosophies idea holds any validity, that could perhaps answer why Francis has made such a radical departures from historic RCC positions.

I'm not a scholar on RCC issues but I definitely remember news reports, many of them critical, about Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI who was portrayed as an old school conservative.
 
abcaines said:
I guess you aren't familiar with J.T. Chick's attacks in his comic book tracts on the Catholic church, particularly, the Jesuits.

AJA, I had never heard of the Jesuits until I was exposed to J.T. Chick's literature.

About as concise yet complete a history of the Jesuit branch of the RCC is found on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits

Another article is found on Britannica.com: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Jesuits

Jesuits aren't a denomination within the RCC but more like a mission board. They remain under the authority of the Papacy however, they have been known to have their own take on theological or social issues which sometimes put them at odds with the Pope.

If the differing philosophies idea holds any validity, that could perhaps answer why Francis has made such a radical departures from historic RCC positions.

I'm not a scholar on RCC issues but I definitely remember news reports, many of them critical, about Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI who was portrayed as an old school conservative.
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I understand the gist, but if you were to put this into Protestant terms, how would you describe it? With the exception of a few years in which I attended a loosely affiliated Southern Baptist church, I’ve been in IFB my entire life, so just trying to picture this from my experiences.
 
HukNduck said:
I understand the gist, but if you were to put this into Protestant terms, how would you describe it? With the exception of a few years in which I attended a loosely affiliated Southern Baptist church, I’ve been in IFB my entire life, so just trying to picture this from my experiences.
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Trying to picture how Jesuits relate to the RCC?

A funny story first... My childhood was particularly devoid of religious training except for Mom allowing me to ride a church bus to a Nazarene church because it got me out of the house for a couple hours. I soon figured out Mom had little interest in religion which made her response to me surprising when I asked whether we were Catholic or Protestant. (I was a teenager and had just become aware of the two different divisions) Mom looked at me and said, "We are NOT Catholic."

I bring this up in order to show the extent of my knowledge of all things Catholic. What I have gleaned from the articles I linked is my understanding of the relationship between the RCC and the Jesuits. It seems to me the Jesuits are related to the RCC the same way a Baptist mission board might be related to any of the Baptist denominations. Rather than a being a separate sect of the RCC, the Jesuits are still under papal authority. My illustration likely falls short because if there is any difference of philosophy between a Baptist denomination and a mission board, the denomination will drop the mission board then split into two new Baptist denominations. The power structure of the RCC is obviously very different.
 
abcaines said:
Trying to picture how Jesuits relate to the RCC?

A funny story first... My childhood was particularly devoid of religious training except for Mom allowing me to ride a church bus to a Nazarene church because it got me out of the house for a couple hours. I soon figured out Mom had little interest in religion which made her response to me surprising when I asked whether we were Catholic or Protestant. (I was a teenager and had just become aware of the two different divisions) Mom looked at me and said, "We are NOT Catholic."

I bring this up in order to show the extent of my knowledge of all things Catholic. What I have gleaned from the articles I linked is my understanding of the relationship between the RCC and the Jesuits. It seems to me the Jesuits are related to the RCC the same way a Baptist mission board might be related to any of the Baptist denominations. Rather than a being a separate sect of the RCC, the Jesuits are still under papal authority. My illustration likely falls short because if there is any difference of philosophy between a Baptist denomination and a mission board, the denomination will drop the mission board then split into two new Baptist denominations. The power structure of the RCC is obviously very different.
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Thanks, this clears it up a little bit, but you’re right, from my background experience, the mission board and denomination pretty much have to be glued tightly together in all things philosophical and theological.
 

The Jesuits - Jesuits.org

About Us https://youtu.be/p1BcPzfnHsc?si=OR_Z2AYsQT4MHHvf We are the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order of priests and brothers founded half a millennium ago by the soldier-turned-mystic Ignatius Loyola. But most people call us “the Jesuits.” In the vision of our founder, we seek to “find...
www.jesuits.org www.jesuits.org

Thinking back on a past exchange about American Indians...

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,​
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.​
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.​
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.​
 
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