I just watched a video by Wilkerson apologizing for the seminar. I also read another comment somewhere else talking about it.
Can anyone explain what went wrong?
Can anyone explain what went wrong?
First Baptist Creation Seminar Issues?
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Well, my interest is certainly piqued. Can we get the whole story on this?
The following is from a hard right wing website, URL below:
"There are times my heart breaks, and this is one of those times. This past weekend, November 12, 2023, First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana invited a group of men into their church to teach on creation. Then on Monday, these same men went to Hyles-Anderson College and taught the students. These men were not Baptists and do not claim to be Baptists. In fact, one is a member of a Reformed church, and another claimed from their pulpit that he is a Methodist.
On Sunday evening, I received a text from a pastor with a picture that showed a long haired hippie teaching in the pulpit of FBC Hammond.
Then I received multiple calls from preachers about how they were told that the NIV was used on slides, and indecency in some of the slides.
I am sickened by this as I am not for compromise of any sort. However, it sickens me more because of my love for this church and college. My family history goes back to the 1960’s when my parents were married in this church. My uncle was a deacon and church clerk for fifty years at FBC Hammond. My wife and I were married in this church, and my daughter was born in this church.
I thank God for the heritage of this church, but to see the blatant compromise sickens me, and yes, it angers me. It sickens me because I hate it when any church compromises. It angers me because those in this church know better. Let me simply share a few verses.
First, a long haired hippie teaching in the pulpit is in direct contradiction to Scripture. 1 Corinthians 11:14 says, Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? I don't know anything about this man, but I do know that to have long hair is a shame. It does not matter what he was going to teach, the fact that he blatantly disobeys God’s Word should have alerted anyone to his spiritual discernment and that he is to be disqualified to teach people.
Second, ecclesiastical separation is still a command in the Scriptures. 2 Corinthians 6:14 says, Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? God commands we are not to be unequally yoked. God goes further in verse 17 when He says, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,…. Not only are we not to be unequally yoked, be we are to separate from them.
My friend, ecclesiastical separation is still in God’s Word. A member of a reformed church has no business teaching in a Baptist pulpit. A self-proclaimed Methodist obviously is doctrinally wrong on baptism, the local church, and likely on salvation. It doesn't matter if these men are “good” men, they are doctrinally wrong and have no right to speak in a Baptist pulpit.
Third, to allow the NIV to be used in the pulpit is wrong. There is no question that the NIV has removed verses from God’s Word, and has made over 60,000 changes to God’s Word. Revelation 22:18-19 says, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. If we are not willing to fight over God’s Word, then what will we fight over? Never are we to allow anyone in our pulpits that would use anything else other than God’s Word, the King James Bible.
Fourth, we are to withdraw from brethren who do not practice like us. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 says, Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. At some point, you must be willing to withdraw from people who are disorderly in their doctrine, much less their practice. Not only should these men not have been allowed to teach because of their doctrine, but also because of their practice. We practice dressing with our best for church because God deserves our best. To allow these men to teach in blue jeans and polo shirts as if this is a golf club is simply a total disrespect of God’s Word, His church, and His way.
My friend, I believe in the local church, which means I believe FBC Hammond has a right to do what they want to do in their church. I am completely fine with this. However, they ask churches around the country to send our young people to their college so they can train them for the ministry. The fact that they reach into our churches to ask for our youth is what concerns me. They are influencing our youth, and our youth will look at what happened and think it is fine not to follow the separation that the Scriptures command.
Moreover, one may say they made a mistake, to which I say, HOGWASH! A mistake is dropping something. Scheduling people who don't believe like you (or maybe they do), and you know they are different is not a mistake, it is a purposeful choice. Let’s give the benefit of the doubt and say it was a mistake. What does that have to say about the discernment of those who allowed this compromise in their pulpit and Bible college. There is a reason God tells us not to put a novice into the ministry because a novice lacks discernment. I do not believe that those who lead these institutions are novices; I do believe they knew exactly what they were doing.
At some point, we must be in love with truth. Proverbs 23:23 says, Buy the truth, and sell it not;… No, you won't be popular when truth is embraced over the greater good, but we must love truth so much that we hate compromise. Those who don't love truth will say that we are hate mongers, but if loving truth makes me a hate monger, then so be it. I am 55 years of age, and I have seen this song and dance before. It is time people make a stand against compromise and call it what it is, and stop letting compromisers train our youth for the ministry. I do not hate those who allowed this compromise, but I do hate their compromise. Paul said, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (Romans 16:17) It is time independent Baptist stop burying their head in the sand of compromise and get a backbone and stand. Compromise is wrong at any level, and should NEVER be allowed. To allow compromise is to say you know better than God. Let me close by quoting Joshua 24:15, …but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
FBC Hammond & Hyles-Anderson College Accept Compromise
FBC Hammond and Hyles Anderson compromise
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Wow. That's just being petty.
I guess having a pastor taking young girls across state lines for sex isn't tantamount to compromise, is it?
I guess having a pastor taking young girls across state lines for sex isn't tantamount to compromise, is it?
Well, next thing you know, HAC will have a trans speaking to the Super Senior’s Sunday School class 
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Me and Jesus can't stop laughingThe following is from a hard right wing website, URL below:
"There are times my heart breaks, and this is one of those times. This past weekend, November 12, 2023, First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana invited a group of men into their church to teach on creation. Then on Monday, these same men went to Hyles-Anderson College and taught the students. These men were not Baptists and do not claim to be Baptists. In fact, one is a member of a Reformed church, and another claimed from their pulpit that he is a Methodist.
On Sunday evening, I received a text from a pastor with a picture that showed a long haired hippie teaching in the pulpit of FBC Hammond.
Then I received multiple calls from preachers about how they were told that the NIV was used on slides, and indecency in some of the slides.
I am sickened by this as I am not for compromise of any sort. However, it sickens me more because of my love for this church and college. My family history goes back to the 1960’s when my parents were married in this church. My uncle was a deacon and church clerk for fifty years at FBC Hammond. My wife and I were married in this church, and my daughter was born in this church.
I thank God for the heritage of this church, but to see the blatant compromise sickens me, and yes, it angers me. It sickens me because I hate it when any church compromises. It angers me because those in this church know better. Let me simply share a few verses.
First, a long haired hippie teaching in the pulpit is in direct contradiction to Scripture. 1 Corinthians 11:14 says, Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? I don't know anything about this man, but I do know that to have long hair is a shame. It does not matter what he was going to teach, the fact that he blatantly disobeys God’s Word should have alerted anyone to his spiritual discernment and that he is to be disqualified to teach people.
Second, ecclesiastical separation is still a command in the Scriptures. 2 Corinthians 6:14 says, Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? God commands we are not to be unequally yoked. God goes further in verse 17 when He says, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,…. Not only are we not to be unequally yoked, be we are to separate from them.
My friend, ecclesiastical separation is still in God’s Word. A member of a reformed church has no business teaching in a Baptist pulpit. A self-proclaimed Methodist obviously is doctrinally wrong on baptism, the local church, and likely on salvation. It doesn't matter if these men are “good” men, they are doctrinally wrong and have no right to speak in a Baptist pulpit.
Third, to allow the NIV to be used in the pulpit is wrong. There is no question that the NIV has removed verses from God’s Word, and has made over 60,000 changes to God’s Word. Revelation 22:18-19 says, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. If we are not willing to fight over God’s Word, then what will we fight over? Never are we to allow anyone in our pulpits that would use anything else other than God’s Word, the King James Bible.
Fourth, we are to withdraw from brethren who do not practice like us. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 says, Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. At some point, you must be willing to withdraw from people who are disorderly in their doctrine, much less their practice. Not only should these men not have been allowed to teach because of their doctrine, but also because of their practice. We practice dressing with our best for church because God deserves our best. To allow these men to teach in blue jeans and polo shirts as if this is a golf club is simply a total disrespect of God’s Word, His church, and His way.
My friend, I believe in the local church, which means I believe FBC Hammond has a right to do what they want to do in their church. I am completely fine with this. However, they ask churches around the country to send our young people to their college so they can train them for the ministry. The fact that they reach into our churches to ask for our youth is what concerns me. They are influencing our youth, and our youth will look at what happened and think it is fine not to follow the separation that the Scriptures command.
Moreover, one may say they made a mistake, to which I say, HOGWASH! A mistake is dropping something. Scheduling people who don't believe like you (or maybe they do), and you know they are different is not a mistake, it is a purposeful choice. Let’s give the benefit of the doubt and say it was a mistake. What does that have to say about the discernment of those who allowed this compromise in their pulpit and Bible college. There is a reason God tells us not to put a novice into the ministry because a novice lacks discernment. I do not believe that those who lead these institutions are novices; I do believe they knew exactly what they were doing.
At some point, we must be in love with truth. Proverbs 23:23 says, Buy the truth, and sell it not;… No, you won't be popular when truth is embraced over the greater good, but we must love truth so much that we hate compromise. Those who don't love truth will say that we are hate mongers, but if loving truth makes me a hate monger, then so be it. I am 55 years of age, and I have seen this song and dance before. It is time people make a stand against compromise and call it what it is, and stop letting compromisers train our youth for the ministry. I do not hate those who allowed this compromise, but I do hate their compromise. Paul said, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (Romans 16:17) It is time independent Baptist stop burying their head in the sand of compromise and get a backbone and stand. Compromise is wrong at any level, and should NEVER be allowed. To allow compromise is to say you know better than God. Let me close by quoting Joshua 24:15, …but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
FBC Hammond & Hyles-Anderson College Accept Compromise
FBC Hammond and Hyles Anderson compromise
But...the guy does have a point. I'd never heard of Creation Evidence Expo, so I looked them up. You know exactly who you're getting when you sign 'em up, although the 'hippy's' ROFLMAO headshot on their site has short hair. But if it's not scientific expertise they're focused on, maybe they should have gotten Kent Hovind.
ROFLMAO headshot on their site has short hair. But if it's not scientific expertise they're focused on, maybe they should have gotten Kent Hovind. 
They have started down that slippery slope.Well, next thing you know, HAC will have a trans speaking to the Super Senior’s Sunday School class
Thanks for the info. It reminds me of the time Beverly LaHaye spoke from behind the pulpit at Central Baptist Church in Pomona. She used the NIV. After she left, Pastor Batema profusely apologized.
But regardless, we all need to wait for the definitive expose' from David Cloud. I'm sure one is in the works.
But regardless, we all need to wait for the definitive expose' from David Cloud. I'm sure one is in the works.
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LOL. As far as I can see from the pictures, his hair doesn't even reach his collar.
I guess you'd never notice if you're flattening yourself against the back wall to try and stay out of range of the NIV Cooties.
Not to mention that he parked his chartreuse microbus in one of the deacon's parking spot...
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Note the specific wording: "their church" (not "my church" or "this church"). "Went to Hyles-Anderson" (not "came to"). It's not his church. If some horndog preacher's son was being passed around from IFB church to IFB church to avoid scandal or prosecution, I'd be told it was a "local church" matter. Yet on something infinitely less serious, Allen Domelle is making a big show of tearing his robes and scattering ashes. Hypocrisy.
As previously noted: not particularly long at all. A bit shaggy. But I know men with longer beards than that.
The horror! the horror!
Probably a photo of a woman in jeans. Were the slides done on overhead transparencies, or did they actually allow PowerPoint into the house of the Lord?
Again, not his church. His (presumably dead) uncle and his marriage records don't give him a seat in the boardroom to tell FBCH how to manage its business.
Is this a contention that Reformed and Methodists are unbelievers? On what grounds?
About as wrong as a wireless headset mic.
Paul says exactly what "tradition" he is talking about in the following verses: avoiding idleness (7), not being a financial burden on others (8), earning one's keep through work (10), not being busybodies (11).
Of them, he reiterates not to associate with such. I didn't see any suggestion earlier in the article that the creationist speakers were slackers or busybodies, so what "tradition" are they not
following after? I suspect it's because they ain't Baptist.
Also, Paul says to " warn them as you would a fellow believer" (15), which would seem to contradict his earlier abuse of 2 Cor. 6:14).
Blatant Scripture abuser. Which makes Domelle a false teacher. We should all take his advice.
I also notice he has nothing to say about what the creationists actually said. Can we assume they told the truth? Probably. But Domelle is too dim to know; the only Christianity he knows is the rules about hair length. Dude's a cut-rate David Cloud wannabe.
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So where'd the other 10 long-haired friends of Jesus end up for the day?
What do you expect from a man who teaches that one can only be saved from a King James Bible?
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Drool and incontinence, mainly.
This is EXACTLY what makes KJVOism a dangerous cult. It's more insidious than JWs or Mormonism because it relies on the Word and historic Christian doctrine but it slips the poison of legalism in ever so subtly and negates the Grace of God.
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I’ve got no problem with Domelle or whoever that is writing the critique, as there will be undoutably many people that agree with his version of separation. By the same token, I think that pool of IFBs is bound to shrink smaller and smaller in this day and age of information that we are in where the Bible can be understood in its meaning far easier with a simple google search, and their eisegesis can be exposed for what it is.