For CCM? Please convince us FROM Scripture alone

[Smellin Coffee]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers" vary based on their personal tastes.

Scripture and verse please

Is worship from the heart of each individual or not? If so, since worship by nature is a response, then how can it NOT be intrinsic?

Here's a question: Can one worship via art? Why or why not?

Another question: How is worship of idols not intrinsic?

 

[Bob H]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers"..........

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Bob H]Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.
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Stoicism?

 

[Bruh]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers"..........

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

One would think the CCM crowd was birthed out of the Hyles side of the IFB, with all of the emotion. 

 

[Bob H]

[quote author=Bob H]Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

Stoicism?
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Preaching. But you knew what I meant.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Bob H]Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

Stoicism?

Preaching. But you knew what I meant.
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Actually, your post read like a Stoic pamphlet so I didn't know. In fact, I'd still say that your answer "preaching" also reinforces my comment of "stoicism".

 

[Smellin Coffee]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers"..........

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

I'm not one for a lot of music but my wife is. The church I go to, if we cut out the music, I would be fine with that. However, emotion DOES play a role in worship and different things touch people differently.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers" vary based on their personal tastes.

Scripture and verse please

Is worship from the heart of each individual or not? If so, since worship by nature is a response, then how can it NOT be intrinsic?

Here's a question: Can one worship via art? Why or why not?

Another question: How is worship of idols not intrinsic?

The question is not "does worship come from the heart", but are there acceptable and unacceptable triggers?

 

[Bob H]

However, emotion DOES play a role in worship and different things touch people differently.

Ok. But during the week when things sometimes gets tough it won't last. The Word will.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

However, emotion DOES play a role in worship and different things touch people differently.

Ok. But during the week when things sometimes gets tough it won't last. The Word will.

Ummm...worship is a response. Though some songs might touch me, most don't. For my wife, "Blessed Be Your Name" is a song that she always goes to for encouragement during tough times because it reminds her of her loving Father and brings her heart to worship.

So I have to disagree with you here.

 

[Ransom]

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

Old-timey preachers sounding off about the "grand old hymns of the faith" and the "old-time religion," and whatnot, gush with emotion: sentimentality.

I don't point this out to say "you guys are no better," but just because it's clear that emotions and emotionalism are not defining characteristics of one or the other.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

However, emotion DOES play a role in worship and different things touch people differently.

Ok. But during the week when things sometimes gets tough it won't last. The Word will.

Ummm...worship is a response. Though some songs might touch me, most don't. For my wife, "Blessed Be Your Name" is a song that she always goes to for encouragement during tough times because it reminds her of her loving Father and brings her heart to worship.

So I have to disagree with you here.

Worship is not limited to a response, worship is an act. The emotional response may or may not be pleasant, or needed. If worship is an act, then there are acceptable and unacceptable acts, or ways to worship.

Genesis 22:5  And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

John 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Bob H]

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

Old-timey preachers sounding off about the "grand old hymns of the faith" and the "old-time religion," and whatnot, gush with emotion: sentimentality.

I don't point this out to say "you guys are no better," but just because it's clear that emotions and emotionalism are not defining characteristics of one or the other.

You're right. The same goes for preaching. There's a dearth of good preaching "on both sides". But emotions, whichever "side" is emphasizing it doesn't last.

Old-timey preachers sounding off about the "grand old hymns of the faith" and the "old-time religion," and whatnot, gush with emotion: sentimentality.

Not all preachers are Baptist 

 

[subllibrm]

The question is not "does worship come from the heart", but are there acceptable and unacceptable triggers?

Could you give an example of an unacceptable trigger to worshipping the Creator of the universe? I only ask because your question seems rhetorical so I assume that you believe there to be unacceptable triggers.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

The question is not "does worship come from the heart", but are there acceptable and unacceptable triggers?

Could you give an example of an unacceptable trigger to worshipping the Creator of the universe? I only ask because your question seems rhetorical so I assume that you believe there to be unacceptable triggers.

Sure, someone mentioned art, so if the art violated a scriptural principle in it's imagery, although it may trigger the response of worship, it is an unacceptable trigger. Michaelangelo's "The Creation of Adam"

A statue may trigger worship, but if the statue qualifies as a "graven image", even if it "triggers" worship, the trigger is unacceptable. Michaelangelo's "David"

(Not picking on Michaelangelo, these are just famous works)

The topic is music, so, if the music is unacceptable, the trigger is unacceptable no matter how sincere the worship.

 

[Bob H]

In fact, I'd still say that your answer "preaching" also reinforces my comment of "stoicism".

Your "comment" had a question mark on it.  So I tried

 

[ALAYMAN]

On a more serious note, I attended a Contemporary church service at a Baptist mega-church while on vacation a week ago.  The music was often deafening, and raucous.  I doubt that is God honoring, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it sinful, so at the end of the day I say to each his own, but I get the feel that those who have a personality more inclined to be emotionally driven are more apt to be persuaded by the influence of the genre generally known as CCM.

Exactly. Worship itself is intrinsic and people's worship "triggers"..........

Ya, emotion.  Thru my limited experience & observance most Christian rock churches have far more music than the more traditional churches do. Less preaching also. Emotion only last so long. I know what my choice is.

The church I just mentioned having attended last weekend had about 40 minutes of warmup music, and then about 40 minutes of sermon, with a short couple of minutes invitation, so it fits the bill fairly well.  Too much emphasis on music, not enough on the word.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm not one for a lot of music but my wife is. The church I go to, if we cut out the music, I would be fine with that. However, emotion DOES play a role in worship and different things touch people differently.

Emotion should flow from the experience of the informed mind through the word (and the word could be via song), not precede it IMNSHO.

 

[subllibrm]

If length of message is the issue then Fidel Castro was the best preacher ever to stand behind a mic. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

If length of message is the issue then Fidel Castro was the best preacher ever to stand behind a mic. 

We need to thin out the Eutychus crowd somehow.