How can you be happy in heaven

Yea... it may have more to do with the fact that I use a digital NIV, so he won't agree with anything I have to say :D

Last time I checked, the overcomers are happy people. And that IS in the KJV! "Behold, we count them happy which endure."
 
FSSL said:
Interesting... but an absurd workaround.

I don't know about you, but my LORD will still be my LORD in heaven. My happiness will be constant!

I have heard this tripe before. It just strips people of the ability to be happy. It is just pure legalism that ends up creating congregants that mope around in their so-called "joy." Why? Because some preacher says "Don't be happy... that is just temporal." It is just IFBXr psycho-babble that ignores Scripture and posits a false definition (not supported by dictionaries).
You can't tell people 'Don't be happy'.  They will, by default, when things go well. 
You have never heard me say anything remotely close to ' avoid pleasure', or 'you should be suffering'.  My name is Michael, not Siddhartha.
I am simply trying to delineate eternal joy, from temporal happiness.  I have not damned happiness.  I haven't cast dispersions on it.  It has a definition, it is reactionary, and temporary.  Any one who is born again should experience happiness quite often.
But they will conversely experience sadness,...the death of a damned loved one being one of the most offensive sources of happiness theft.

During college, I worked with a girl for 4 years, and was able to discuss the gospel at great length with her.  She had been sent to a RCC girl's school, and the misrepresentation of God, by those nuns and such had hardened her to God's love.  I shewed her plainly in the scriptures, and we had many discussions, but she had sealed her heart with bitterness, and would not 'accept a god who could have followers like these'. 
She was a slightly overweight girl, with 2 sisters that were slender, and though all three were beautiful, the elder, weightier one suffered from depression due to her self image, and the bitterness against God.
A drug came along, 'Phen-Phen'?  Anyway, she began to take it and to lose weight.  It made her very cranky, and I was never able to have a pleasant discussion with her, after she began the drug.  I asked her if she believed that I was her friend, and she said 'yes', but she would get angry at everyone.
In 1996, my friend, who I had pleaded with to ignore the abuse of men, and accept God's love, suffered a fatal heart attack, brought on by this dangerous drug, and went out into eternity forever lost.
This event causes me much disruption to my happiness, to this day.  As I post this , my hands tremble, tears fill my eyes, a deep sadness that physically hurts in my physical heart, like the heart attack I had, comes on, and will be here for hours.  Eventually something will happen to remind me of positive things, and happiness will return.
On the other hand, I have joy, comfort, the presence of eternal God with me, so that I am lifted up, even as I feel I begin to sink. 

Anishinaabe
 
Holy Mole said:
I think prophet is a sharp guy but refuses, for some reason, to lose this Hyles teaching on happiness vs. Joy. I use and prefer the AV myself and looked it up..yep "happy"  is frequently used. I still catch myself holding onto Hylesisms until I research it out then realize....ahh ...that's where I got that.
I must confess to have heard the definition of happiness first from Hyles.  And to have had to suspect everything that I ever heard him teach, in 20 years. 

Anishinaabe

 
You are the one who told us that people cannot not happy in heaven because there will never again be any happenings.

prophet said:
...Happiness is affected by happenings.  What we possess is eternal joy. After the Judgement, tears will be wiped away.  There will never again be any happenings affecting our emotional state. Don't you agree that Revelation teaches this?
Anishinaabe

Now you want to massage the terms because I used the KJV.

You want to quibble about a definition that you cannot find in any dictionary. It is just IFBXr pablum. Again, another Hyles teaching that has sucked the joy out of Christians.

All of the inhabitants in heaven ("overcomers") will experience joy AND happiness. It is a false dichotomy that really has caused quite a few Christians grief because they think happiness is somehow sub-par to joy.

I have heard this tripe from some of the most bitter Christians. They say they are filled with JOY and they are known to be bitter, self-defeated people because they believe expressing happiness is somehow a "pedestrian" emotion.
 
Thank you FSSL  I can't wait for heaven my baby and my dad, many of my family are waiting for us....
 
prophet said:
After the Judgement, tears will be wiped away.  There will never again be any happenings affecting our emotional state. Don't you agree that Revelation teaches this?

I see something that explicitly talks about the end of sadness.

I see nothing parallelling it that talks about the end of happiness.

Maybe i just missed it. Perhaps you could show me the verse.
 
FSSL said:
You are the one who told us that people cannot not happy in heaven because there will never again be any happenings.

prophet said:
...Happiness is affected by happenings.  What we possess is eternal joy. After the Judgement, tears will be wiped away.  There will never again be any happenings affecting our emotional state. Don't you agree that Revelation teaches this?
Anishinaabe

Now you want to massage the terms because I used the KJV.

You want to quibble about a definition that you cannot find in any dictionary. It is just IFBXr pablum. Again, another Hyles teaching that has sucked the joy out of Christians.

All of the inhabitants in heaven ("overcomers") will experience joy AND happiness. It is a false dichotomy that really has caused quite a few Christians grief because they think happiness is somehow sub-par to joy.

I have heard this tripe from some of the most bitter Christians. They say they are filled with JOY and they are known to be bitter, self-defeated people because they believe expressing happiness is somehow a "pedestrian" emotion.
You are doing what you are wont to do, which is project onto me the things that you have heard from others.  That is not just, but par.

I'm not trying to down play happiness. 
Time is going to be eliminated also, because it is not eternal.
When nothing that can create unhappiness will any longer exist, happiness will vanish with it.

Why do you hate joy?  Have you been unable to find fullness of joy?

Here's a quote to mull over:
Acts 26:2 "I think myself happy, King Agrippa, BECAUSE I shall answer for myself this day..."

Context here kinda gives us a def., yes?


Anishinaabe

 
Oh goodness... prophet. I quote you and the only response we get is don't "project" things on me...

Hey! If you want to think your existence in heaven will lack happiness, then look me up by the pearly gates and we will discuss this with Peter. I will tell Peter what you believe and you will see two happy people, busting a gut!

While you are at it... go through your hymnal and scratch out songs like this!

Happiness is to be forgiven,
Living a life that's worth the livin',
Taking a trip that leads to heaven--
Happiness is the Lord,
Happiness is the Lord,
Happiness is the Lord!

Let go of Hylesology! He is gone! There are no more brown polyester suits to be received for being 100%!
 
FSSL said:
Oh goodness... prophet. I quote you and the only response we get is don't "project" things on me...

Hey! If you want to think your existence in heaven will lack happiness...

And time!  :o
 
FSSL said:
Oh goodness... prophet. I quote you and the only response we get is don't "project" things on me...

Hey! If you want to think your existence in heaven will lack happiness, then look me up by the pearly gates and we will discuss this with Peter. I will tell Peter what you believe and you will see two happy people, busting a gut!

While you are at it... go through your hymnal and scratch out songs like this!

Happiness is to be forgiven,
Living a life that's worth the livin',
Taking a trip that leads to heaven--
Happiness is the Lord,
Happiness is the Lord,
Happiness is the Lord!

Let go of Hylesology! He is gone! There are no more brown polyester suits to be received for being 100%!
You should try honesty.

"They, blah, blah, blah". And they are just like prophet (inferred).
And what do you mean we?  You got a response, because of your intellectual dishonesty.

Why don't you let Hyles go.
I didn't bring him up.
I didn't quote him.
I just admitted that I heard the definition of happiness from (my pastor for 20 years) Hyles. 
I was being honest.
Try it, it is therapeutic.
Cathartic. 
Refreshing.
And there is no 'Pete' watching the 'Pearly Gates', unless you are an RCC agent.
And that song isn't in my hymnal.
And you are obviously ignoring the fact that my debate was temporary vs. Eternal...., and not: happy vs. sad.
Maybe It's all over your head.
Either way, Eternal Joy is mine.

Anishinaabe

 
rsc2a said:
FSSL said:
Oh goodness... prophet. I quote you and the only response we get is don't "project" things on me...

Hey! If you want to think your existence in heaven will lack happiness...

And time!  :o
Eternal = existing outside of time.

Anishinaabe
 
Happiness is a God-given emotion that we enjoy! God let us share in a wonderful emotion! God is happy. Therefore, His people are to be happy and will be eternally happy!

Joy is not some kind of deeper, more spiritual emotion that replaces happiness. They go together! In heaven, they will be eternally ours!
 
prophet said:
rsc2a said:
FSSL said:
Oh goodness... prophet. I quote you and the only response we get is don't "project" things on me...

Hey! If you want to think your existence in heaven will lack happiness...

And time!  :o
Eternal = existing outside of time.

Anishinaabe

Great! God is eternal. Time-bound creation is not. (Or do you not think you will have life "everlasting", a concept that makes absolutely no sense without a concept of time?)



And, before you start lumping every verse that talks about eternal life together, you might want to consider context. God is eternal (in the context of how you have used it) because He has no beginning. You are not eternal because you clearly did.

Same word, different meaning: God grants eternal life to those who are His because their lives will have no end.
 
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