I am Hebrew Roots Ish....I can try to answer your questions.

[ALAYMAN]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

A better question for you would be "Lord, how many sins can I commit and still be one of your  followers?"

That's a non-answer to a very serious question.  If your theology tells you that obedience is required for salvation then how much?  What kind?  How will I ever know if I've reached the subjective obedience plateau?

 

[Hooper]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

A better question for you would be "Lord, how many sins can I commit and still be one of your  followers?"

That's a non-answer to a very serious question.  If your theology tells you that obedience is required for salvation then how much?  What kind?  How will I ever know if I've reached the subjective obedience plateau?

I think the point being made was obvious.  A heart not centered would produce either one. God does not expect perfection as an absolute, but the obedient will seek it through trials and failures.  And fail they will,  but learn from that failure. Will seek the truth in all things, and will love all that is good. Will learn humility and how to live unselfishly.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

A better question for you would be "Lord, how many sins can I commit and still be one of your  followers?"

That's a non-answer to a very serious question.  If your theology tells you that obedience is required for salvation then how much?  What kind?  How will I ever know if I've reached the subjective obedience plateau?

I think the point being made was obvious.  A heart not centered would produce either one. God does not expect perfection as an absolute, but the obedient will seek it through trials and failures.  And fail they will,  but learn from that failure. Will seek the truth in all things, and will love all that is good. Will learn humility and how to live unselfishly.

The problem with that is it doesn't dovetail with your language of "become sons".  That "become sons" sounds like a process.  Justification declares we ARE sons.

 

[FSSL]

The problem with that is it doesn't dovetail with your language of "become sons".  That "become sons" sounds like a process.  Justification declares we ARE sons.

Boom!!

 

[Hooper]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

A better question for you would be "Lord, how many sins can I commit and still be one of your  followers?"

That's a non-answer to a very serious question.  If your theology tells you that obedience is required for salvation then how much?  What kind?  How will I ever know if I've reached the subjective obedience plateau?

I think the point being made was obvious.  A heart not centered would produce either one. God does not expect perfection as an absolute, but the obedient will seek it through trials and failures.  And fail they will,  but learn from that failure. Will seek the truth in all things, and will love all that is good. Will learn humility and how to live unselfishly.

The problem with that is it doesn't dovetail with your language of "become sons".  That "become sons" sounds like a process.  Justification declares we ARE sons.

We don't officially become anything until the judgment.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We don't officially become anything until the judgment.

Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


I am officially, right now, at this very moment, a son, adopted into the family of God, and I know it (1 Jn 5:13).

 

[Hooper]

We don't officially become anything until the judgment.

Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


I am officially, right now, at this very moment, a son, adopted into the family of God, and I know it (1 Jn 5:13).

I don't recognize any of Saul's letter as inspired, or truthful. You'll have to learn your doctrine from the gospels. Like these verses for example. Notice what happens to those goats....they were shocked to learn that they were not sons. Maybe their believe-o-meter gave them a faulty reading.

Matthew 25:32-33

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

 

[Ransom]

I don't recognize any of Saul's letter as inspired, or truthful. You'll have to learn your doctrine from the gospels.

He'll "have to," just because in your unbelief you do not recognize the Word of God? No, you're not too full of yourself, are you.

 

[Hooper]

I don't recognize any of Saul's letter as inspired, or truthful. You'll have to learn your doctrine from the gospels.

He'll "have to," just because in your unbelief you do not recognize the Word of God? No, you're not too full of yourself, are you.

Where does scripture refer to itself as "Gods Word"? Maybe it was a KJV that was nailed to the cross.....

 

[Ransom]

Where does scripture refer to itself as "Gods Word"? Maybe it was a KJV that was nailed to the cross.....

You'll say any foolish thing to avoid admitting that you take a cafeteria-line approach to Christianity, won't you?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Where does scripture refer to itself as "Gods Word"? Maybe it was a KJV that was nailed to the cross.....

You'll say any foolish thing to avoid admitting that you take a cafeteria-line approach to Christianity, won't you?

I would also like to find the answer to this.

Where does scripture refer to a specific canon as "God's Word"?

 

[Ransom]

I would also like to find the answer to this.

You had the answer. You rejected it.

Want it back? Visit a library.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We don't officially become anything until the judgment.

Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


I am officially, right now, at this very moment, a son, adopted into the family of God, and I know it (1 Jn 5:13).

I don't recognize any of Saul's letter as inspired, or truthful. You'll have to learn your doctrine from the gospels. Like these verses for example. Notice what happens to those goats....they were shocked to learn that they were not sons. Maybe their believe-o-meter gave them a faulty reading.

Matthew 25:32-33

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Yes, James corroborates that faith without works is dead, but faith always precedes works but works is not the basis for justification.  The Pharisees thought that their righteousness was good enough, but Jesus told them, like the rich young ruler, that their works weren't enough to justify.  The just shall live by faith.  Habakkuk, among others, tells you that.

 

[Hooper]

I would also like to find the answer to this.

You had the answer. You rejected it.

Want it back? Visit a library.

Maybe it was in a comic book at the library where you found it.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I would also like to find the answer to this.

You had the answer. You rejected it.

Want it back? Visit a library.

In other words, you don't have an answer, link to a post where the answer was mentioned on the forum or encapsulate for me a particular apologetic guide. Why not? Because you either don't have an answer or you are afraid I am right.

 

[Ransom]

In other words, you don't have an answer,

No. In other words, it's not my job to educate you.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

We don't officially become anything until the judgment.

Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


I am officially, right now, at this very moment, a son, adopted into the family of God, and I know it (1 Jn 5:13).

I don't recognize any of Saul's letter as inspired, or truthful. You'll have to learn your doctrine from the gospels. Like these verses for example. Notice what happens to those goats....they were shocked to learn that they were not sons. Maybe their believe-o-meter gave them a faulty reading.

Matthew 25:32-33

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Yes, James corroborates that faith without works is dead, but faith always precedes works but works is not the basis for justification.  The Pharisees thought that their righteousness was good enough, but Jesus told them, like the rich young ruler, that their works weren't enough to justify.  The just shall live by faith.  Habakkuk, among others, tells you that.

Then again, where did Jesus evangelize the lost or even teach where faith ALONE without works in his death, burial and resurrection was the ticket to the forgiveness of sins?

I contend just the opposite.

Matthew 6:15

But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Faith has no bearing. In fact, one can have previously been forgive then this act of non-forgiving others puts him back in jeopardy. Matthew 18:21-35

So unless you equate the forgiveness of sin apart from eternal life that one can have salvation and eternal life and not have their sins forgiven, works of some kind must play a part.

 

[Hooper]

In other words, you don't have an answer,

No. In other words, it's not my job to educate you.

Then why do you feel you have the right to ask others questions? Let's face it Scott, if there was a slam dunk verse or document you would have gladly produced it. The rabbit trail of nonsensical blather you bible believers take to prove the bible to be Gods inspired "Word" is ridiculous. You won't post the accepted drivel because your at least intelligent enough to realize how pathetic your stance is. It would behoove you to learn some piety and admit when you are wrong.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

In other words, you don't have an answer,

No. In other words, it's not my job to educate you.

Don't you have a couple of pearls to spare? 

 

[Ransom]

Then why do you feel you have the right to ask others questions?

"I'd like to answer questions . . ." (Hooper, 3 days ago)

If you come on this forum offering to answer questions, don't whine about being asked questions.