Illegal Immigration

[subllibrm]

While I fully support a controlled border and deportation of the current population of people here illegally I do have a question about how the issue is framed. As with most every issue today the subject is "debated" on the extremes.

They are all hard working men, women and children who just want to improve their lot in life.







The truth has to be somewhere in between.







They are all drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes.

 

[subllibrm]

What I find fascinating is that both sides will insist that Jesus is standing right beside them. This is based on people I know personally who clearly love the Lord.

In a sense it reminds me of the disagreement between Paul and Barnabas on the subject of John Mark. Who was right? Both of them to a degree. The beauty of that situation is that God took their stalemate and turned it into two missionary teams. I'm confident that He can heal our country but at some point we need to be able to change our minds as Paul apparently did. This is evident in his requesting that John Mark join him.

Lord remove the scales from our eyes that we may see truth as You do.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

What I find fascinating is that both sides will insist that Jesus is standing right beside them. This is based on people I know personally who clearly love the Lord.

In a sense it reminds me of the disagreement between Paul and Barnabas on the subject of John Mark. Who was right? Both of them to a degree. The beauty of that situation is that God took their stalemate and turned it into two missionary teams. I'm confident that He can heal our country but at some point we need to be able to change our minds as Paul apparently did. This is evident in his requesting that John Mark join him.

Lord remove the scales from our eyes that we may see truth as You do.

My hope is to one day be half the man Sub believes that he is…

 

[subllibrm]

My hope is to one day be half the man Sub believes that he is…

???

 

[Baptist Renegade]

While I fully support a controlled border and deportation of the current population of people here illegally I do have a question about how the issue is framed. As with most every issue today the subject is "debated" on the extremes.

They are all hard working men, women and children who just want to improve their lot in life.







The truth has to be somewhere in between.







They are all drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes.

There is a very distinct American culture with distinct values, customs, Etc. that define who we are as a nation.

Those who choose to emmigrate here should do so because of who we are and that they desire to be a part of it.

This should be at the very foundation of any immigration policy moving forward.

It goes without saying that those who move here should be respectful of our laws. People need to be respectful the laws wherever they may go!

Why can't people find opportunity to improve their lot in life in their home country? How can a country like the United States help other countries to adopt similar opportunities for their people? The best thing we could do for our Mexican neighbors would be to supporyt policies that would make them more of our "Economic Equals" meaning that they should be able to find the very same opportunities there as they could here in the United States. The reason why there is not such an immigration issue on our northern border is because Canadians are more our "economic equals" and are therefore not needy or desperate as are many who are south of our borders.

The best way to deal with the ILLEGAL immigration problem would be for the United States to treat immigrants the same as other countries treat US citizens who reside within their borders. US citizens receive NOTHING related to welfare or public assistance and are expected to have a means of support and to not become a burden upon their society. If we were able to take care of this one thing, this would remove most economic incentives and we could probably just leave the borders wide open and those who want to stay would be staying for the right reasons.

 

[Ransom]

Leftists (the kind who intentionally confuse legal and illegal aliens) like to quote the Bible, particularly verses like Leviticus 19:33-34, which tell the Israelites to treat "the stranger" like themselves.

OK. The Bible also says that "there shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you" (Exodus 12:49).

In other words, no double standards. That "one law" that obtains for both American citizen and immigrant alike, says that it's illegal to cross the border except at approved ports of entry, or to reside and work in the country without proper documentation. That means that illegals who break the law are subject to the penalties of the law.

 

[FSSL]

They are all hard working men, women and children who just want to improve their lot
.....
They are all drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes.

BOTH of these are liberal arguments. There is no "in between" argument here.

The ONLY moral and just resolution is to encourge every single illegal immigrant return to their home and then apply the correct way. We even give them thousands of dollars, necessities and a plan trip of their choosing to try again the proper way.

 

[subllibrm]

BOTH of these are liberal arguments. There is no "in between" argument here.

The ONLY moral and just resolution is to encourge every single illegal immigrant return to their home and then apply the correct way. We even give them thousands of dollars, necessities and a plan trip of their choosing to try again the proper way.

If they are both liberal arguments why are my conservative friends using the second one with such passion?

 

[subllibrm]

The ONLY moral and just resolution is to encourge every single illegal immigrant return to their home and then apply the correct way. We even give them thousands of dollars, necessities and a plan trip of their choosing to try again the proper way.

I can get behind this idea.

 

[FSSL]

If they are both liberal arguments why are my conservative friends using the second one with such passion?

If your conservative friends are saying: "They are ALL drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes."

They are mimicking the liberals who say that "we are saying such things."

You, seriously, have friends that say ALL immigrants are this way? They deserve some mental jail time! Or... you are being dramatic.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If your conservative friends are saying: "They are ALL drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes."

They are mimicking the liberals who say that "we are saying such things."

You, seriously, have friends that say ALL immigrants are this way? They deserve some mental jail time! Or... you are being dramatic.

Sub evidently has odd friends…and he projects their comments to us.
And he is a tad dramatic.

 

[subllibrm]

If your conservative friends are saying: "They are ALL drug running, human trafficking gang members who have stolen children to use as a cover for their crimes."

They are mimicking the liberals who say that "we are saying such things."

You, seriously, have friends that say ALL immigrants are this way? They deserve some mental jail time! Or... you are being dramatic.

It's is my conservative friends who repost White House talking points about the evil criminals that require the level of enforcement protocols being used.

It is my conservative friends who post memes about giving financial aid to criminals imported into the country by foreign entities supported by the wink and nod of the left.

Unless the liberals have taken over the White House messaging apparatus and high jacked the right wings rage machine then I will continue to give the credit to the right for that side of the narrative.

 

[Ekklesian]

It's is my conservative friends who repost White House talking points about the evil criminals that require the level of enforcement protocols being used.

Since were talking about an invasion of millions of illegals, I'd say the level of enforcement needs ramped way up military style.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

 

[FSSL]

Unless the liberals have taken over the White House messaging apparatus and high jacked the right wings rage machine ...

The White House does not say "ALL illegals are drug running, himan trafficking..."

 

[aleshanee]

subllibrm is trolling the forum using the same ploy far left democrats use as a lead into their talking points.. .performative ignorance - pretending not to see what is right in front of them and acting as if they can;t understand what has been explained to them clearly and in detail.... they finish off their pretense of confusion by jumping to a ridiculous point - or in subs case a judgement ....

democrats play that game in the news media out of desperation - hoping it will score points against trump with other dems and the undecided... . .... ..subllibrm (IMHO) plays it on the forum as a way to feed his sense of sanctimony and self rightousness.. .. and also - like any other troll, as a way to entertain himself ... ... and..just like any other troll.. (IMO) ...he deserves to be ignored... ..

 

[sword]

BOTH of these are liberal arguments. There is no "in between" argument here.

The ONLY moral and just resolution is to encourge every single illegal immigrant return to their home and then apply the correct way. We even give them thousands of dollars, necessities and a plan trip of their choosing to try again the proper way.

This make sense and based on the law and basic fairness it would be the correct thing to do. Just a few problems. First many have been here for years and as we have heard so many times, many can here as children. In any case most have no home to go to. They left everything to come here. For the DACA children (many adults now) this is the only home they know. A federal case in Texas even ruled DACA an illegal program appeals pending. Many immigrants came here with the implied invitation of the president of the United States and were given express instructions what to do. Our immigration policies seem to change from president to president and courts are slow and overworked and no attempt is made to try to correct this. The wait in your country or mexico approach seems to be the best. Also most immigrants (legal and illegal) are hard working people who just want a better life, but mixed in are those who have other things in mind. Violent criminals and drug dealers and those in the employ of our ememies are among the group. Though a very small %, it only takes .05 percent to cause real chaos.

 

[sword]

This make sense and based on the law and basic fairness it would be the correct thing to do. Just a few problems. First many have been here for years and as we have heard so many times, many can here as children. In any case most have no home to go to. They left everything to come here. For the DACA children (many adults now) this is the only home they know. A federal case in Texas even ruled DACA an illegal program appeals pending. Many immigrants came here with the implied invitation of the president of the United States and were given express instructions what to do. Our immigration policies seem to change from president to president and courts are slow and overworked and no attempt is made to try to correct this. The wait in your country or mexico approach seems to be the best. Also most immigrants (legal and illegal) are hard working people who just want a better life, but mixed in are those who have other things in mind. Violent criminals and drug dealers and those in the employ of our ememies are among the group. Though a very small %, it only takes .05 percent to cause real chaos.

As to our current approach in Minnesota:

We clearly need to take a different approach when dealing with riots and mobs. It seems avoiding the crowds and moving on to the next person on the list would be a better tactic. Leave a few troops as a diversion as the main group moves on to others on the list. Also focus on the most violent and the criminals on the list first and publish or report in a press conference who were detained and deported each day. Those who do get in the way or assault federal agents and officers should be arrested, held and perhaps prosucuted. Confronting riots in the streets as we have been is clearly not the answer. 100% use of body cam and de-esclation should be the norm. Dealing with protestors is not the goal and is just a distraction from the mission.

 

[FSSL]

This make sense and based on the law and basic fairness it would be the correct thing to do. Just a few problems. First many have been here for years and as we have heard so many times, many can here as children. In any case most have no home to go to. .

If a DACA recipient commits certain crimes, they can be deported. Fraud, National security issues.

DACA recipients have immigration protections.

The posture of Trump has been clear: the priority are those who have committed crimes... if you are an illegal who has not committed a crime but got caught up in a sweep, you face deportation... illegals who are law abiding can self-deport and reenter the right way. Common sense.

Subs accusation that this administration gives some people the idea that illegal immmigrants are treated as if the are ALL traffickers is nonsense. It's a liberal projection.