Is God asking his children to lie?

[.tim]

When a child of God shares the gospel with another human a moment of decision is generally reached.

Many will say, "Would you like to accept Jesus Christ as your savior right now?"

And the other person will say something like, "yes", "no", "not now", "go away", or "can you pray for me?"

And, if you believe like I do (Salvation is for all mankind) you have just told them beautiful gospel truth.

Now. If God truly is the God who only gives salvation to a select few ... what about the ones not elected for God's grace? Is not telling them the good news actually a lie? Is not God asking you to lie? After all, these people could never get saved as a non-elect person. Jesus didn't die for them. God didn't live them very much, he was content with their judgement already cast.

Is God asking his children to lie?

Or, perhaps, when you share the gospel (as a reformed believer) ... do you tell the person they might, MIGHT, be elected for hell?

 

[christundivided]

Timmey.... this is actually a great question.

I think I'll stay out of it for now and see what they have to say.

 

[rsc2a]

Timmy - must you start 42 threads about the same hobby horse  within days of each other?

 

[christundivided]

Timmy - must you start 42 threads about the same hobby horse  within days of each other?

Must you play forum police? I know you doubtless aspire to greater things.... but... .PLEASE....

 

[.tim]

Timmy - must you start 42 threads about the same hobby horse  within days of each other?

Must you play forum police? I know you doubtless aspire to greater things.... but... .PLEASE....

Meanwhile ... no answer for the question ...

 

[Recovering IFB]

When a child of God shares the gospel with another human a moment of decision is generally reached.

Many will say, "Would you like to accept Jesus Christ as your savior right now?"

And the other person will say something like, "yes", "no", "not now", "go away", or "can you pray for me?"

And, if you believe like I do (Salvation is for all mankind) you have just told them beautiful gospel truth.

Now. If God truly is the God who only gives salvation to a select few ... what about the ones not elected for God's grace? Is not telling them the good news actually a lie? Is not God asking you to lie? After all, these people could never get saved as a non-elect person. Jesus didn't die for them. God didn't live them very much, he was content with their judgement already cast.

Is God asking his children to lie?

Or, perhaps, when you share the gospel (as a reformed believer) ... do you tell the person they might, MIGHT, be elected for hell?

Well Tim your wrong on this one, first off, witnessing is not a sales pitch putting somebody in a position to choose A or B. when we share the Gospel we testify to the fact of who Jesus is, was he did for us and continuing to for us. Sharing the Goapel is not a high pressure sales pitch. Although is some churches it is.
Either some body will beleive on the spot, maybe in a day or two, year or two or maybe never.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Timmy - must you start 42 threads about the same hobby horse  within days of each other?

Hours.

 

[christundivided]

When a child of God shares the gospel with another human a moment of decision is generally reached.

Many will say, "Would you like to accept Jesus Christ as your savior right now?"

And the other person will say something like, "yes", "no", "not now", "go away", or "can you pray for me?"

And, if you believe like I do (Salvation is for all mankind) you have just told them beautiful gospel truth.

Now. If God truly is the God who only gives salvation to a select few ... what about the ones not elected for God's grace? Is not telling them the good news actually a lie? Is not God asking you to lie? After all, these people could never get saved as a non-elect person. Jesus didn't die for them. God didn't live them very much, he was content with their judgement already cast.

Is God asking his children to lie?

Or, perhaps, when you share the gospel (as a reformed believer) ... do you tell the person they might, MIGHT, be elected for hell?

Well Tim your wrong on this one, first off, witnessing is not a sales pitch putting somebody in a position to choose A or B. when we share the Gospel we testify to the fact of who Jesus is, was he did for us and continuing to for us. Sharing the Goapel is not a high pressure sales pitch. Although is some churches it is.
Either some body will beleive on the spot, maybe in a day or two, year or two or maybe never.

So your message isn't for all?  Do you preach to all?

 

[Recovering IFB]

So your message isn't for all?  Do you preach to all?

It's to whoever I talk to. I don't know who God elected, its not my decision. Why is this hard for you to wrap your head around.
If God preordained the time you would be born, the time you die and the time you realize your need for him, would your will over rule him if you "choose not to accept him"?

 

[Bruh]

You're doing fine timmy keep it up. 

 

[christundivided]

So your message isn't for all?  Do you preach to all?

It's to whoever I talk to. I don't know who God elected, its not my decision. Why is this hard for you to wrap your head around.
If God preordained the time you would be born, the time you die and the time you realize your need for him, would your will over rule him if you "choose not to accept him"?

You ignore the fact you're preaching a message of Hope to those who have no possibility of Hope. I don't understand how you can say you're not.

 

[Bruh]

So your message isn't for all?  Do you preach to all?

It's to whoever I talk to. I don't know who God elected, its not my decision. Why is this hard for you to wrap your head around.
If God preordained the time you would be born, the time you die and the time you realize your need for him, would your will over rule him if you "choose not to accept him"?

You don't even have to preach it to an elected person because if they are truly chosen they will eventually get saved.  Just leave it to someone else, I don't have the time, your elected you will get it sooner or later. 

 

[Recovering IFB]

You ignore the fact you're preaching a message of Hope to those who have no possibility of Hope. I don't understand how you can say you're not.

You forget, we are all sinner who deserve hell, nobody seeks after God, (Rom 3-11). It's only God reviving somebody back to life. So we are all,without God,doomed anyway.
So again I ask, can you thwart God's plan to "reject" him after God has a day that he purposed for you?

You don't even have to preach it to an elected person because if they are truly chosen they will eventually get saved.  Just leave it to someone else, I don't have the time, your elected you will get it sooner or later. 

Can you find me a quote that any Calvinist has said that?

 

[Bruh]

You ignore the fact you're preaching a message of Hope to those who have no possibility of Hope. I don't understand how you can say you're not.

You forget, we are all sinner who deserve hell, nobody seeks after God, (Rom 3-11). It's only God reviving somebody back to life. So we are all,without God,doomed anyway.
So again I ask, can you thwart God's plan to "reject" him after God has a day that he purposed for you?

You don't even have to preach it to an elected person because if they are truly chosen they will eventually get saved.  Just leave it to someone else, I don't have the time, your elected you will get it sooner or later. 

Can you find me a quote that any Calvinist has said that?

Nope, but if a person is elected then they are elected.  They will eventually get it, tush, tush now, you are chosen see you around. 

 

[Recovering IFB]

Nope, but if a person is elected then they are elected.  They will eventually get it, tush, tush now, you are chosen see you around.

Meaning What? I'm sorry, I don't understand your response.

 

[Bruh]

Nope, but if a person is elected then they are elected.  They will eventually get it, tush, tush now, you are chosen see you around.

Meaning What? I'm sorry, I don't understand your response.

I'm just being sarcastic. 

 

[christundivided]

You forget, we are all sinner who deserve hell, nobody seeks after God, (Rom 3-11). It's only God reviving somebody back to life. So we are all,without God,doomed anyway.
So again I ask, can you thwart God's plan to "reject" him after God has a day that he purposed for you?

God has no plan for specific people to reject Him. Romans 3 isn't an island unto itself.

 

[Recovering IFB]

You forget, we are all sinner who deserve hell, nobody seeks after God, (Rom 3-11). It's only God reviving somebody back to life. So we are all,without God,doomed anyway.
So again I ask, can you thwart God's plan to "reject" him after God has a day that he purposed for you?

God has no plan for specific people to reject Him. Romans 3 isn't an island unto itself.

Romans 9:22-23
Can you please answer my question?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Since you are kind of avoiding the OP, I wonder if this sums up your position Recovering IFB:

God tells us to witness to all so YES, God is asking us to lie and tell people that they can be saved when in fact they cannot.

This is the question put forth in the OP. Is this your position?

 

[Biker]

Since God can foresee the future, he is not going to elect anyone whom he "pre-foresaw" will reject him

And since we cannot foresee who will get saved, all we do is try. Be obedient and introduce scripture to them. Maybe share a personal testimony.