Jack Hyles and Dave Hyles

[Bruh]

What was the relationship like between them?  After all Dave did cause a lot of heart ache for JH. 

Does anyone know if JH ever really at least chewed Dave out for the trouble he caused?

 

[Walt]

What was the relationship like between them?  After all Dave did cause a lot of heart ache for JH. 

Does anyone know if JH ever really at least chewed Dave out for the trouble he caused?

From people who knew DH when he was in his 20s, he seemed to despise his father.

According to Paula (DH's first wife), JH never asked DH what was wrong with him -- he (JH) concentrated on moving DH to some new area where people didn't know about him.

 

[Bruh]

Very sad that he was unable to be there for his son when he most needed him.

 

[bgwilkinson]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

 

[no value]

I offer a little ancedote about something I vaguely remember hearing Jack Hyles say years ago. Please feel free to correct any part of this because my memory is obviously sketchy at best about this.

Seems like I remember Jack Hyles saying he had a New Years Eve prayer ritual in which he "dedicated" himself anew for the new year. Not a bad sentiment, IMO if its true.

One time Dave Hyles was with his dad on one of his New Year's Eve prayer times when Jack Hyles told God he was giving up his role as father to fully dedicate himself to America.

Does this even sound vaguely familiar?

If this is true---seems to me that Dave Hyles' narcissism didn't fall from the tree. Just my opinion of course. I never heard of any hatred Dave may have harbored toward his dad (as previously posted).

 

[Fresh Air]

I offer a little ancedote about something I vaguely remember hearing Jack Hyles say years ago. Please feel free to correct any part of this because my memory is obviously sketchy at best about this.

Seems like I remember Jack Hyles saying he had a New Years Eve prayer ritual in which he "dedicated" himself anew for the new year. Not a bad sentiment, IMO if its true.

One time Dave Hyles was with his dad on one of his New Year's Eve prayer times when Jack Hyles told God he was giving up his role as father to fully dedicate himself to America.

Does this even sound vaguely familiar?

If this is true---seems to me that Dave Hyles' narcissism didn't fall from the tree. Just my opinion of course. I never heard of any hatred Dave may have harbored toward his dad (as previously posted).

God, I give you my dad...

It's in Blue Denim and Lace or one of those kind of books, I think. I'm not in my office so I can't look it up. It was meant to be a touching story but it reads like a horror movie all these years later.

 

[no value]

I offer a little ancedote about something I vaguely remember hearing Jack Hyles say years ago. Please feel free to correct any part of this because my memory is obviously sketchy at best about this.

Seems like I remember Jack Hyles saying he had a New Years Eve prayer ritual in which he "dedicated" himself anew for the new year. Not a bad sentiment, IMO if its true.

One time Dave Hyles was with his dad on one of his New Year's Eve prayer times when Jack Hyles told God he was giving up his role as father to fully dedicate himself to America.

Does this even sound vaguely familiar?

If this is true---seems to me that Dave Hyles' narcissism didn't fall from the tree. Just my opinion of course. I never heard of any hatred Dave may have harbored toward his dad (as previously posted).

God, I give you my dad...

It's in Blue Denim and Lace or one of those kind of books, I think. I'm not in my office so I can't look it up. It was meant to be a touching story but it reads like a horror movie all these years later.

That's it...thanks brother. At my age if I don't write it down I don't remember it.

 

[TidesofTruth]

3. Strict punishment should be given when the rules are broken.  . . . 
. . .One Saturday afternoon before Christmas, my boy David went Christmas shopping. He was to be home by three o'clock. He came in eleven minutes late. I took him to his room and then explained why I was going to spank him. I bent him over my knee and gave him a good thrashing. I sat him beside me and asked him, "Now, little man, just what were you doing that was so important that you could not be on time?" 

With quivering lips and tear-dripping eyes, he murmured, "I was getting your Christmas present gift wrapped." 

To be sure, I felt like a heel, and yet, I would spank him again. A rule is a rule and it should be kept. In the long run we will make better children and law-abiding adults if we will impress upon them the importance of obeying the rules. - Jack Hyles, Blue Denim and Lace

IMHO  This has been the greatest failure of dad's to take an opportunity to teach who God is.  It is well known that children transfer their understanding of who God is by the manner in which they view their father.  It is a huge mistake to fail to teach a child the Grace of their heavenly Father because of a ungodly strictness adhered to of a man made rule.  And then compound the problem with failure after failure to implement Godly discipline spelled out in scripture in the life of that child when they failed moral law. 

Oh and BTW when writing a letter to a child don't dictate it to your secretary : "

Sincerely, 
Dad 

JH:es

I tend to think it is best to not give any parental advice until your children are 30 + years and proven.

 

[Fresh Air]

I tend to think it is best to not give any parental advice until your children are 30 + years and proven.

...certainly not in book form.

<signed, an author who has already promised his wife he will not write a book on parenting for at least a couple of decades>

 

[Citadel of Truth]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry. 

 

[TidesofTruth]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry.

Certainly one may try to blame it on HAC, however men have a tendency to do this already regardless of what their job is.  HAC would have given an excuse for this behavior but I highly doubt the cause of it.  Men in general have a tendency to get caught up in their work and it is already a huge danger.  Cause and effect must be logical here.  The Cause is not HAC.  The excuse certainly could be.

 

[Norefund]

Exactly right. Jack Hyles wasn't the first man to lose himself in his work and ignore his family. Most men regret that at some point. Jack Hyles exhorted members to admired admire him for it. And he wasn't sacrificing his family for his ministry. He was using his ministry as an excuse to not be home, period.

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry.

Certainly one may try to blame it on HAC, however men have a tendency to do this already regardless of what their job is.  HAC would have given an excuse for this behavior but I highly doubt the cause of it.  Men in general have a tendency to get caught up in their work and it is already a huge danger.  Cause and effect must be logical here.  The Cause is not HAC.  The excuse certainly could be.

 

[16KJV11]

Exactly right. Jack Hyles wasn't the first man to lose himself in his work and ignore his family. Most men regret that at some point. Jack Hyles exhorted members to admired admire him for it. And he wasn't sacrificing his family for his ministry. He was using his ministry as an excuse to not be home, period.

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry.

Certainly one may try to blame it on HAC, however men have a tendency to do this already regardless of what their job is.  HAC would have given an excuse for this behavior but I highly doubt the cause of it.  Men in general have a tendency to get caught up in their work and it is already a huge danger.  Cause and effect must be logical here.  The Cause is not HAC.  The excuse certainly could be.

Wow, you should open a mind reading ESP business. 

 

[sword]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry.

Question:

How does I Tim. 3: 1-6 apply to this situation with adult children. How does it apply to the long list of other notable preachers who's children spun out of control as teens or young adults?

Its hard to put much stock in Jack Hyles 5 or 6 books on child rearing & the home considering how things turned out for his family.

1 Timothy 3:1-6
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

 

[Walt]

I offer a little ancedote about something I vaguely remember hearing Jack Hyles say years ago. Please feel free to correct any part of this because my memory is obviously sketchy at best about this.

Seems like I remember Jack Hyles saying he had a New Years Eve prayer ritual in which he "dedicated" himself anew for the new year. Not a bad sentiment, IMO if its true.

One time Dave Hyles was with his dad on one of his New Year's Eve prayer times when Jack Hyles told God he was giving up his role as father to fully dedicate himself to America.

Does this even sound vaguely familiar?

If this is true---seems to me that Dave Hyles' narcissism didn't fall from the tree. Just my opinion of course. I never heard of any hatred Dave may have harbored toward his dad (as previously posted).

God, I give you my dad...

It's in Blue Denim and Lace or one of those kind of books, I think. I'm not in my office so I can't look it up. It was meant to be a touching story but it reads like a horror movie all these years later.

That's the way I remember JH stating it -- that he overheard DH say something very much like that.

 

[TidesofTruth]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man looses his family, he also looses his ministry.

Question:

How does I Tim. 3: 1-6 apply to this situation with adult children. How does it apply to the long list of other notable preachers who's children spun out of control as teens or young adults?

Its hard to put much stock in Jack Hyles 5 or 6 books on child rearing & the home considering how things turned out for his family.

1 Timothy 3:1-6
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

I think God made a point here to specify the Pastor's OWN house.  Which would not include a person who would not have taken this step Ge 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
If they were in His house then there is a child that should be in subjection regardless of age.  A 22 year old Son within the house would need to be in subjection.    While older children who have left the home and fallen into sin should be cause for pause and reflection by the church whether they wish to engage a pastor to their leadership, I don't think it officially disqualifies him.  As for application, sadly Bro. Hyles was disqualified for the ministry of bishop by the time Dave was 16.  He was not disqualified for ministry.

Many times it has been quoted that the world has yet to see what God will do with a man fully consecrated to him made to DL Moody by  Henry Varley.  IMO The world has yet to see what God will do with a man or a church who is completely obedient to Him. 

While many great things were accomplished by Br Hyles after covering up the sin of DH.  Much of the roots of the problems we see now came from this lack of discipline both in the Home and in the Church. 

Obey God and let the chips fall where they may.  Man Made coverup is a substitution for the Blood of Christ.  It will always end in ruin.  Sin when it is finished ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS brings forth death.  Obey God and let God bring renewal and life to the death that sin brings.  All we can do in our coverup is prop us a corpse and call it life.

 

[Walt]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

Sadly, this same philosophy is being taught in all the colleges spawned from HAC. They'll not say it directly, but they leave no doubt that the ministry comes before anything else.

What they fail to teach is that if a man loses his family, he also loses his ministry.

Certainly one may try to blame it on HAC, however men have a tendency to do this already regardless of what their job is.  HAC would have given an excuse for this behavior but I highly doubt the cause of it.  Men in general have a tendency to get caught up in their work and it is already a huge danger.  Cause and effect must be logical here.  The Cause is not HAC.  The excuse certainly could be.

However, HAC and JH made heroes out of those people that sacrificed their families, and exalted them sky-high.  Naturally, others wanted this kind of accolade, so they followed suit.

So, while HAC/JH may not be the only one to blame (men must account for their own choices), I do believe that HAC/JH are responsible for some of the blame.

 

[RAIDER]

He sacrificed his family on the altar of his ministry.

BK, you are dead on target. 

In the mid/late '90s I saw Dr. Cowling at a basketball game.  I mentioned Dr. Hyles' heartbreak over Dave.  He said something to me that I thought was pretty dumb.  He said, "God wasn't the only one who sacrificed his son for me".  I didn't know how to respond to that.

 

[Citadel of Truth]

What they fail to teach is that if a man loses his family, he also loses his ministry.

Good catch, Walt. Can I claim temporary insanity?

 

[Citadel of Truth]

From people who knew DH when he was in his 20s, he seemed to despise his father.

I wonder how he feels about him now?