Jack Hyles died 25 years ago, today.

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I realize that there are many opinions about Jack Hyles put forth on this board. Today marks the 25th anniversary of his death. He left an indelible mark on my life. I mean, I'm talking about him today, 45 years after I left the place. So, there's that.

I wish I hadn't gone to HAC. I likely could have spent those years better elsewhere. But those were necessary years for me. They hardened me for what was to come in my life. I came to HAC as a very immature kid of eighteen. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. The HAC years, in retrospect, paved a path for me to grow up that would lead away from there to many different places. I have been blessed to have been given the life I have lived since leaving there.

Looking back, it pains me to say that I believe that much of what I heard from the pulpit at FBC and HAC was lies. I really don't believe all of those stories where Jack Hyles always emerged the hero. I think he grew up a very insecure boy and spent his life trying to live up to the idolized person that his secret self craved. I would call it a "Walter Mitty Complex."

That said, he was charismatic. He made people want to follow him. And as a kid from the south in the 1970's, I followed him. I believed in him. In my own way, I loved him. Amid the insanity that was my life for several years, I also witnessed him do some very good things. He could be a man who sometimes shared a lot of simple, good wisdom, such as the productivity of living by a schedule, a principle that has served me well to this day.

But now he is gone from us a quarter century. His legacy in the form of his church, college and even his family, did not take very long to dissolve. In many ways his story is a tragedy, albeit one that he mostly penned. I think he made a lot of mistakes and was a man who rarely, if ever admitted such.

I remember during my time there (76-81) I would hear him tell stories of people like Bob Jones or J. Frank Norris and frankly, they were people that I knew nothing about. They were mere historic figures to me and mostly, when I tried to read their sermons of years gone by, I was unenthused. Now, when I look at photos of today's Hyles Anderson students, I realize that they were largely not yet born on this day in 2001 and I wonder if when they hear about the man whose name their college still bears, do they think of him as I thought of Bob Jones in the seventies... just some man that I am supposed to admire and respect, but actually know little about.

And so the time has passed quickly and I wonder if there will still be any remnant of this man that I once held so respectfully in another 25 years and I think, whatever it may be, it will be unrecognizable to anyone who knew him when he was alive. And those circles of life close each day.
 
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J. Frank Norris has been pretty much forgotten - it's been a long time since I have heard anyone bring him up in a positive way. Give it another 25 years and Jack Hyles will probably be forgotten, but we're not there yet.

For anyone who may be wondering, "who is this Jack Hyles?" check out these web sites:


 
J. Frank Norris has been pretty much forgotten - it's been a long time since I have heard anyone bring him up in a positive way. Give it another 25 years and Jack Hyles will probably be forgotten, but we're not there yet.

For anyone who may be wondering, "who is this Jack Hyles?" check out these web sites:


Only think knew about him was very much into KJVO
 
J. Frank Norris has been pretty much forgotten - it's been a long time since I have heard anyone bring him up in a positive way. Give it another 25 years and Jack Hyles will probably be forgotten, but we're not there yet.

For anyone who may be wondering, "who is this Jack Hyles?" check out these web sites:


Did you go to HAC/FBC? What years?
 
I realize that there are many opinions about Jack Hyles put forth on this board. Today marks the 25th anniversary of his death. He left an indelible mark on my life. I mean, I'm talking about him today, 45 years after I left the place. So, there's that.

I wish I hadn't gone to HAC. I could likely have spent those years better elsewhere. But those years hardened me. I came to HAC as a very immature kid of eighteen. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. The HAC years, in retrospect, paved a path for me to grow up that would lead away from there to many different places. I am blessed to have been given this life.

Looking back, it pains me to say that I believe much of what I heard from the pulpit at FBC and HAC was lies. I really don't believe all of those stories where Jack Hyles always emerged the hero. I think he grew up a very insecure boy and spent his life trying to live up to the idolized person that his secret self craved. I would call it a "Walter Mitty Complex."

That said, he was charismatic. He made people want to follow him. And as a kid from the south in the 1970's, I followed him. I believed in him. In my own way, I loved him. Amid the insanity that was my life for several years, I also witnessed him do some very good things. He could be a man who sometimes shared a lot of simple, good wisdom, such as the productivity of living by a schedule, a principle that has served me well to this day.

But now he is gone from us a quarter century. His legacy in the form of his church, college and even his family, did not take very long to dissolve. In many ways his story is a tragedy, albeit one that he mostly penned. I think he made a lot of mistakes and was a man who rarely, if ever admitted such.

I remember during my time there (76-81) I would hear him tell stories of people like Bob Jones or J. Frank Norris and frankly, they were people that I knew nothing about. They were mere historic figures to me and mostly, when I tried to read their sermons of years gone by, I was unenthused. Now, when I look at photos of today's Hyles Anderson students, I realize that they were largely not yet born on this day in 2001 and I wonder if when they hear about the man whose name their college still bears, do they think of him as I thought of Bob Jones in the seventies... just some man that I am supposed to admire and respect, but actually know little about.

And so the time has passed quickly and I wonder if there will still be any remnant of this man that I once held so respectfully in another 25 years and I think, whatever it may be, it will be unrecognizable to anyone who knew him when he was alive. And those circles of life close each day.
I have zero connection to HAC or Jack Hyles. In fact, before I joined the old FFF, I had never heard the name of either one in my life. Regardless, I wanted to say your post is probably one of the best I’ve read on this site. Even though I’m not connected to HAC, it resonated with me in other places I’ve been connected to—my own “HAC” experiences.
 
Here is an explanation of Jack Hyles' changing views on the King James Version, from a Hyles-supportive web site - the author admits that Hyles "corrected" the KJV text prior to 1984:


In this article, Josh Teis discusses the change of Hyles from non-KJV only to KJV only:

"Jack Hyles, a close friend and associate of Rice for over twenty-two years, also valued other versions of the Bible, at least until the 1980s. In Hyles’ commentary on Revelations [sic] he repeatedly corrects the King James Version and the TR, such as in his note on Revelation 8:13, which reads 'an angel flying' in the KJV. Hyles argued that 'The word "angel" here should be "eagle"' following the Critical Text and the RV."


Here is the full text of Hyles' commentary on Revelation. At 6:1 he proposes that this verse should read simply "Come" instead of "Come and see."


I have no connection to HAC. I was baptized at FBC-Hammond in October, 1988 but never attended again - I heard Hyles preach at various churches in the Chicago area and in 1984 at Miller Road Baptist in Garland, Texas (now defunct, his son Dave Hyles destroyed that church).
 
I was floundering as a carnal Christian, attending church out of duty once or twice a month, when the church that I am now an associate pastor in brought a young preacher boy from HAC to pastor in 2000. God used that young man to help me become a soul winner, and quit leading an apathetic Christian life.

When that pastor left in 2002, I was the pulpit committee chairman that brought the HAC trained pastor that patiently led our church for 20 years before he retired in 2024. His influence on my life was immense. Both men held Hyles in high esteem, without imitating his authoritarian foibles that so many immature and power-hungry HAC grads were apt to do. I am forever grateful for God’s use of these men in shaping me into who I am today.

And, for good measure, the man who is the founder of the church that I have been a member of for over 25 years, is still alive and occasionally preaches at 92 years old. His hero was J Frank Norris, and he attended Arlington Baptist College in Texas, founded by Norris. This old preacher is one of the most respected man that I personally know, by scores and scores of people.

Lastly, the man who led me to the Lord when I was 19 years old will forever hold a special place in my heart. He was a young man (40s at the time in 1988) who modeled what I thought was something like an Ozzie and Harriet household. That was important to me because I was raised in a dysfunctional alcoholics home. However, I came to realize that image was merely one I’d conjured in my own mind, as he left the pastorate in order to try to keep his marriage in order, which didn’t work because they ended up divorcing.

Just as with other historical figures, like Trump in our time for instance, people often see what they want to see, either giving too much credit or too much criticism. Preachers are no different, and Hyles, for all his warts, had tremendous influence across this land in IFB circles.
 
I’m so thankful we hand the courage to leave the IFB denomination.
 
What I remember most about Hyles is a story he told during a chapel service at Tennessee Temple. He said that after returning home from a meeting one night, he woke his son up to tell him something important. He told him that he would no longer be able to be the father he should be to him, because he believed God had chosen him to lead the Independent Baptists in America, and that responsibility would take much of his time. We all know how that turned out.
 
What I remember most about Hyles is a story he told during a chapel service at Tennessee Temple. He said that after returning home from a meeting one night, he woke his son up to tell him something important. He told him that he would no longer be able to be the father he should be to him, because he believed God had chosen him to lead the Independent Baptists in America, and that responsibility would take much of his time. We all know how that turned out.
I believe there were three watershed mistakes he made:

How he managed his son. Just disastrous.

How he managed his own life after he went to Hammond The secrets and sin he tried to conceal.

Starting a college. It changed everything and not for the good.
 
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And if I'm not mistaken, he only adopted that position in the last 15 years of his life. Some speculate a reason for that, but I am unsure about it.
I think that he had a falling out with Dr John Rice over that very topic , as he took the Sword of the Lord to radical KJVO
 
I think that he had a falling out with Dr John Rice over that very topic , as he took the Sword of the Lord to radical KJVO
Dr. Rice died in 1980, long before Hyles went KJVO. Dr. Rice was not of that persuasion.
 
In the early and mid-80s, I thought that Jack Hyles "walked on water!" He never preached at our church in San Diego (Our auditorium was too small) but we were always following him around wherever he preached in the SOCAL (Midway Baptist, Pomerado Road Baptist, First Baptist Long Beach, North Valley Baptist, Etc.). I was planning on attending either Hyles-Anderson or Pensacola Bible Institute (Ruckman) after my time in the Navy.

I got him to sign my Scofield Bible one evening after a fund raising banquet in the Anaheim area (For Joe Hill, Emmanuel Baptist Rescue Mission, Los Angeles). I believe this was right around 1989/1990. I told him what a blessing his message was and his response revealed to me what an absolute pompous jerk the man was! This was right around the time of the Sumner Articles and I was still "100% for Hyles" at the time but this encounter was a real blow that I would never recover from! As I have mentioned in the past, I believe it was around this time the Lord started dealing with me about separating myself from the "IFB" crowd I was running with but it would be fifteen more years and a bad marriage before I would finally break free from this nonsense!

I am inclined to believe that the man was never saved! 25 years burning in Hell is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy!
 
In the early and mid-80s, I thought that Jack Hyles "walked on water!" He never preached at our church in San Diego (Our auditorium was too small) but we were always following him around wherever he preached in the SOCAL (Midway Baptist, Pomerado Road Baptist, First Baptist Long Beach, North Valley Baptist, Etc.). I was planning on attending either Hyles-Anderson or Pensacola Bible Institute (Ruckman) after my time in the Navy.

I got him to sign my Scofield Bible one evening after a fund raising banquet in the Anaheim area (For Joe Hill, Emmanuel Baptist Rescue Mission, Los Angeles). I believe this was right around 1989/1990. I told him what a blessing his message was and his response revealed to me what an absolute pompous jerk the man was! This was right around the time of the Sumner Articles and I was still "100% for Hyles" at the time but this encounter was a real blow that I would never recover from! As I have mentioned in the past, I believe it was around this time the Lord started dealing with me about separating myself from the "IFB" crowd I was running with but it would be fifteen more years and a bad marriage before I would finally break free from this nonsense!

I am inclined to believe that the man was never saved! 25 years burning in Hell is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy!
What did he do to show himself to be 'a real jerk?"
 
What did he do to show himself to be 'a real jerk?"
Just an incredibly pompous attitude that I was beneath him and that it was "my privilege" that he would so grace me with his attention and presence! Pretty much the same as how certain "celebrities" who are famous with their treatment of "common folk."

There was a separate incident a few years prior when another person in our group (we had traveled together from San Diego to Anaheim) got his Bible signed and he asked Hyles something to the effect of "Do you really believe what you are preaching?" and he got all indignant about it. Worse yet, a bunch of his "Preecher Cronies" stepped in and basically "Dog-Piled" on this poor kid and started speaking disparagingly of our church! I was already outside and not in the area so this is what I got from him after the fact. As I recall, this young man (probably onder than me at the time if I remember correctly but still in his 20s) was somewhat mentally challenged, not always having both his oars in the water, and yes, it was a strange question to ask but Mr. Hyles and all his cronies should've picked up on this and acted with a little more grace than they did! Good thing I was not in the area as I would've stood up for my church and for my pastor and if it happend now, all the more adamantly.

At the time, these were "red flags" that I was intentionally blind towards (because I was blindly "100% for Hyles") but see quite clearly now with 20/20 hindsight. IIRC, the last time I heard Hyles in person was the evening that he signed my bible. After my discharge from the Navy, I moved to the Los Angeles area and joined a "Ruckmanite" Church that was rather critical of Hyles which sometimes rubbed me the wrong way but based upon my own personal experiences, I could appreciate their perspective.
 
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