Jesus ain?t worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes

[HeDied4U]

So, if I wanted to go out and get a semicolon tattoo on my wrist, that's evil and I'll be in rebellion to God? If you're unfamiliar with the significance of the semicolon tattoo, I suggest you google it and then try again to proclaim tattoos evil. I understand your zeal Tim, but in this instance, you're wrong.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Antinomianism.

Pharisee!
You see, anyone can call names. Show anywhere where people are breaking God's laws? Except if you are going by way of your American brand of southern evangelicalism, then I see your point, but unfortunately, that's not in Scripture.
And Timmy, use context when posting Scripture that is relative to what you are trying to prove. Like here, I'll show you
Col 2:16 Therefore, don?t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.[f] 17 These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is[g] the Messiah. 18 Let no one disqualify you,[h] insisting on ascetic practices and the worship of angels, claiming access to a visionary realm and inflated without cause by his unspiritual mind. 19 He doesn?t hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, nourished and held together by its ligaments and tendons, develops with growth from God.

20 If you died with the Messiah to the elemental forces of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations: 21 ?Don?t handle, don?t taste, don?t touch?? 22 All these regulations refer to what is destroyed by being used up; they are commands and doctrines of men. 23 Although these have a reputation of wisdom by promoting ascetic practices, humility, and severe treatment of the body, they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence.[j]

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

sorry.... never heard of that song or the band before........ i don;t listen to such ungodly forms of music......

Tim obviously does.  He's a weird mix of antinomian and Pharisee.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Pharisee!
You see, anyone can call names. Show anywhere where people are breaking God's laws? Except if you are going by way of your American brand of southern evangelicalism, then I see your point, but unfortunately, that's not in Scripture.

Did you see the smilie at the end of the post?  Lighten up a little, hit the bottle, take a toke, it's all good.

 

[Bob H]

"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or 'tattoo' yourselves: I am the Lord"  ESV


"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any 'tattoo' marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." NASB





.................Just sayin'

 

[Bob H]

Pharisee!
You see, anyone can call names. Show anywhere where people are breaking God's laws? Except if you are going by way of your American brand of southern evangelicalism, then I see your point, but unfortunately, that's not in Scripture.

Did you see the smilie at the end of the post?  Lighten up a little, hit the bottle, take a toke, it's all good.

A "Sense of humor" is one thing that has not been recovered yet. Give em' time 

 

[Walt]

I?m pretty sure that Jesus ain?t worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes
Or if you wear a golden cross around your neck
What about loving your neighbor and giving to the poor
I just want to love like that and nothing more

RHETT WALKER BAND - "The Mystery"

What are your thoughts about the chorus above?

Why must it be one or the other?  I agree with the OP, why not both?

 

[Walt]

I agree that Jesus "ain?t" worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes. 

Pharisees care about the outside.  Jesus cares about the inside.

Pharisees care ONLY about the outside.  Jesus changes the inside, and it works itself outward to the outside.

 

[Ransom]

So, if I wanted to go out and get a semicolon tattoo on my wrist, that's evil and I'll be in rebellion to God? If you're unfamiliar with the significance of the semicolon tattoo, I suggest you google it and then try again to proclaim tattoos evil. I understand your zeal Tim, but in this instance, you're wrong.

Good thing it's not a colon tattoo, because then you'd have to explain it to everyone.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or 'tattoo' yourselves: I am the Lord"  ESV


"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any 'tattoo' marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." NASB





.................Just sayin'

"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

Just sayin'.  I assume you obey this, right?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I agree that Jesus "ain?t" worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes. 

Pharisees care about the outside.  Jesus cares about the inside.

Pharisees care ONLY about the outside.  Jesus changes the inside, and it works itself outward to the outside.

True, that.

 

[brianb]

I?m pretty sure that Jesus ain?t worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes
Or if you wear a golden cross around your neck
What about loving your neighbor and giving to the poor
I just want to love like that and nothing more

RHETT WALKER BAND - "The Mystery"

I would say all things are lawful but I will not be put under the power of any. Cigarettes are addictive so that verse about being put under the power of any would apply. There's also nothing of nutritional value in them and the only ones who seem to get any benefit from them are those are addicted to them. No one ever regrets not smoking ever.  It's like alcohol where one could benefit from medicinal properties. As for tattoos I guess it depends. I wouldn't recommend getting too many tattoos and I know of some who regret getting them or putting them on their forehead. I think one should exercise wisdom in this matter.

What are your thoughts about the chorus above?

I find the line "Jesus ain?t worried ?bout tattoos and cigarettes" a stab at what many call "legalistic" Christians. But, are they honestly legalistic? Or, are they just following their heart regarding a call to Holiness?

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1 Peter 1:15-16

My home Church is changed slowly from what is labeled "legalistic" to more like the second part of the chorus. "What about loving your neighbor and giving to the poor. I just want to love like that and nothing more."

It seems like in Christianity their is a falling away from the standards once held universal, and a moving toward a more social approach all linked to what Jesus calls the most important commandments. But, did he say the other things should be ignored?

Do you see a change within the Church? Seems like many are putting good standards aside for fear of being labeled "legalistic" ...

Personally, I think Jesus is worried about tattoos and cigarettes. After all - the greatest commandment is to Love the Lord your God with all your HEART, SOUL and MIND. Maybe not so worried about the tattoos on the sinner about to see his need for Christ, but worried about the child of God who says tattoos and cigarettes are okay under grace.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:1

Of course not!

Naturally - members of this forum and others beyond this forum will argue that tattoos and cigarettes are not sin for the believer. But, at what point do we start taking serious the cleansing of this temple? (1 Corinthians 3:16)

We have people encouraging watching a rated R movie with nudity! I can hardly believe it! And I think it goes back to a simple turning away from standards for moral living to a standard of moral caring.

I think God wants both.

 

[Recovering IFB]

"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or 'tattoo' yourselves: I am the Lord"  ESV


"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any 'tattoo' marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." NASB





.................Just sayin'

"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

Just sayin'.  I assume you obey this, right?

Or how many of his disobedient has he had stoned?

 

[FreeToBeMe]

"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or 'tattoo' yourselves: I am the Lord"  ESV
"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any 'tattoo' marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." NASB

.................Just sayin'

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."  NIV

"They shall say to the elders, ?This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.?  Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."  NIV

"There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you."  NIV

" But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales?whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water?you are to regard as unclean. 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you."  NIV

"When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening."  NIV

"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head." NIV

"If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband's brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her."  NIV

.................Just sayin'

 

[FreeToBeMe]

We have people encouraging watching a rated R movie with nudity! I can hardly believe it! And I think it goes back to a simple turning away from standards for moral living to a standard of moral caring.

Then why do you keep coming back to this forum?  Seriously.  You come on here, get your fix, then leave.....come back a while later under a new forum name....get your fix....leave....etc, etc.....you're like a drug addict crawling back to the webmaster each time asking to come back so you can cure your withdrawal symptoms.       

I think your "forum addiction" could rank right up there with smoking and tattoos, Timmeh.  Fix your own house before coming in here preaching about others fixing theirs, you childish blithering idiot. 

 

[NorrinRadd]

If you eschew tattoos, piercings, cigarettes, etc. out of obedience to the convictions of your own conscience, then bless your little heart.

If you think it's your place to impose those graceless, legalistic, wrong-Covenant standards on others, then may you castrate yourself and be anathema.

 

[Izdaari]

Antinomianism.

Auntie Gnomian is a screen name I've considered using.

 

[Izdaari]

Seriously, I don't think God cares if we have tattoos if they're good looking and don't have a bad message, I've considered getting some, but I won't settle for anything less than really good art, and that's expensive.

Cigarettes are a different matter. They're an addiction, a waste of money, and bad for our health. I wouldn't think God wants us to hurt ourselves, and cigarettes do that. Being mastered by anything other than God is also not good according to Scripture.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

So, if I wanted to go out and get a semicolon tattoo on my wrist, that's evil and I'll be in rebellion to God? If you're unfamiliar with the significance of the semicolon tattoo, I suggest you google it and then try again to proclaim tattoos evil. I understand your zeal Tim, but in this instance, you're wrong.

First time I heard of the significance of a semi colon tattoo.

The question isn't whether the tattoo is associated with something good, or something bad. I suspect if the tattoo was goat horns, the association of bad would be evident. Similarly if the tattoo was of the popular Christian fish symbol, the association would be good.

The question is, are tattoo's ok at all?

Here is a question not being discussed. Why does someone need a tattoo at all? Who is the tattoo drawing attention to? The wearer, the artist or God? My life is supposed to draw attention to God, not myself. Christ is supposed to be magnified in me, not self magnified. My image is supposed to be one of humility, not one of "look at me". Tattoo's, overdone clothes, overdone jewellery, overdone makeup, overdone hairstlyes, they all draw attention to me, not the one I represent.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Antinomianism.

Auntie Gnomian is a screen name I've considered using.

No mo' nomo